The Anti-Gaga Backlash Around Confessions II

[rinasawachanta 3,443]

Hi everyone,

I’m here to talk about something that’s been bothering me since the release of Confessions II, and I think this is a good place to share it with my fellow monsters. I listened to the album and thought it was really good—I truly enjoyed it—but my enjoyment started to be overshadowed by the fact that, as the album began to receive positive reviews, a narrative against Gaga began to unfold, driven primarily by Madonna fans and even some monsters (or, at least, I sense a serious lack of enthusiasm when it comes to defending her). Specifically, there have been systematic attacks on Chromatica: a well-established—and largely unfounded—narrative that it’s a “bad” album, something repeated ad nauseam, to the point where I think it ends up making some monsters question their genuine appreciation for the album. At the same time, it’s very harsh—and even concerning—how Madonna’s fans can’t seem to enjoy the album’s relative success without dragging Gaga into it. It’s sickening; they’re out of their minds. It’s as if they’d been hiding under a rock for practically twenty years, lying in wait for Madonna to have anything resembling a hit so they could jump in to “cash in” on years of bitterness and resentment toward Gaga. It really strikes me because I don’t recall this being the situation—not even remotely close—when Mayhem came out.

Sorry for the long post, but I’m really wondering how other monsters are experiencing this, because I don’t see anyone else speaking out about it. It seems more like a series of one-sided attacks, coming even from unexpected people (the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was seeing some older men talking about gay/pop culture in my country, who—in their video reaction to Confessions II—literally broke their long-standing silence—which had been conspicuous but respectful—regarding Gaga with negative comments about her). I’m concerned about the power of narratives when it comes to marketing-driven cultural consumption: the way something can be constructed as unambiguously good, positive, or successful, just as the exact opposite narrative can be spun about another phenomenon or product.

I'd like to hear your opinions—always respectfully.

Edited 16 hours ago by rinasawachanta

[timdrake 1,791]

I haven't seen it but uhhh idk, people are always doing too much to pit womens' art against each other. don't even worry about it. let haters be haters, and then you'll know who to steer clear of 

[nATAH 56,588]

I haven't seen anything like this

let those old gays be bitter and relish in the fact you have 2 amazing albums to enjoy from 2 pop queens

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 31,700]

Chromatica isn’t very good…

But believe me, in a couple years people will get to that same conclusion with Confessions II.

When Chromatica came out, people (fans and media) collectively pretended that the album was like the return of Jesus, for whatever invalid reason.

That said, as a whole body of work, Confessions II is much better. Chromatica has 911 and Replay, though.

[Ziggy 13,929]

I haven’t seen that but of what I’ve seen on Twitter monsters and Madonna fans are being equally ridiculous and dumb. Twitter stans are craziest ig

[JoeCool 952]

2 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Chromatica isn’t very good…

But believe me, in a couple years people will get to that same conclusion with Confessions II.

When Chromatica came out, people (fans and media) collectively pretended that the album was like the return of Jesus, for whatever invalid reason.

That said, as a whole body of work, Confessions II is much better. Chromatica has 911 and Replay, though.

I thought Chromatica was still solid overall....   Rain On Me especially.  Stupid Love is still a jam imo.  

 

I feel the same way about Confessions 2...  sold overall but it's not the return of Jesus or ironically Madonna as the savior.  

 

 

But yeah in general certain people will always be miserable/petty/catty/vulture-esque enough to hate on others.  

[RochesterJoannster 4,036]

It sounds like you know a lot of very annoying people if they’re talking like that. I’d find new friends. 
 

Also Chromatica is Gaga’s weakest, I readily believe that. 

[NemoMyName 2,129]

Log out from social media, nothing is really happening

[elegidadedios 4,792]

Twittervibes.com is not the real world. Chromatica is hated between Gaga fans and other fandoms *on* the internet, but at the end of the day, people don't even remember that era. Lol. Except for Rain On Me - and I'm being generous here. 

Anyways, and focusing particularly on the matter, I'd agree on the fact that Chromatica is very forgettable and it doesn't stand out at all to the Gaga imagery. It explains why she said herself she's not that proud of it - as she wasn't very much involved (production wise). I'm pretty sure, though, that if she were to do Chromatica in 2026, it'd come out as a much, much better project. But the time was 2020 and the poor woman was struggling with life. That being said, is a very fun and joyful album, so I don't see the need on putting so much effort on hating it - unless you are a rat wasting your time with "@user561stan" as a nickname

[weed 78,710]

It's all a cycle of noise. Soccer fans arguing but through a rainbow lens. 

I find it hilarious and pissing when a post about like "little monsters are soo sexist and nasty!! they're dragging madonna's old hands!! WAKE UP: PEOPLE AGE!" then you click their profile and it's 30 tweets saying transga, manga, nosega, collabga, zionistga, how ugly she is, how irrelevant, etc etc etc. They are evil filthy trolls. 

[Hadrian 2,569]

They're probably not even real Madonna fans, just Gaga-haters who cling to Madonna's cape because they think pretending to like The One Who Came First makes them look cool to... someone.

[nodandsmile 11,711]

never seen such thing but you actually build your own timeline depending on the type of content you engage with, maybe that's why!

[NashvilleGAGA 817]

Chromatica is a great album if only because Babylon exists 

[nodandsmile 11,711]

33 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

Twittervibes.com is not the real world. Chromatica is hated between Gaga fans and other fandoms *on* the internet, but at the end of the day, people don't even remember that era. Lol. Except for Rain On Me - and I'm being generous here. 

Anyways, and focusing particularly on the matter, I'd agree on the fact that Chromatica is very forgettable and it doesn't stand out at all to the Gaga imagery. It explains why she said herself she's not that proud of it - as she wasn't very much involved (production wise). I'm pretty sure, though, that if she were to do Chromatica in 2026, it'd come out as a much, much better project. But the time was 2020 and the poor woman was struggling with life. That being said, is a very fun and joyful album, so I don't see the need on putting so much effort on hating it - unless you are a rat wasting your time with "@user561stan" as a nickname

yeah it lacks that Gaga sauce since that's the only project she did not have a hand in producing, doubt it would have seen the light of day if Bloodpop did not push her to complete it (not her absolute best, but still very enjoyable)

looking at her in 2024/2026 she seems like a totally different person from the one in 2020 and her enthusiasm makes me excited as hell for the future

Edited 15 hours ago by nodandsmile

[rinasawachanta 3,443]

I don't know if you guys have noticed this too, or maybe I'm just going crazy lmao, but this post ended up being a discussion about the quality (or lack thereof) of Chromatica... which once again adds to the narrative I'm trying to highlight in the opening post