Laurieann Gibson talks Gaga in new interview

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10 minutes ago, Obobo said:

I read her book, she literally goes on about how she molded Gaga and brought out her inner superstar. Aka taking the credit like all those men she’s criticizing. She positions herself as an “artist developer” rather than choreographer.

It’s probably deleted off the internet but Shane Dawson (yeah I know…) used to have a podcast episode with Tyler Oakley and he talked about meeting Laurieann and she spilt a lot of tea. Apparently Gaga only had creative control over her image but the label was heavily involved in the songwriting process. Essentially perfect pop music with weird attention grabbing visuals to keep media attention. Allegedly Gaga’s creative team actually liked her song ideas and encouraged her while her team focused on the business side + Laurieann felt like she was sabotaging her own career and cashed out before it was too late.

These people and their egos are insane. I’m glad Gaga weeds them out.

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11 minutes ago, Obobo said:

I read her book, she literally goes on about how she molded Gaga and brought out her inner superstar. Aka taking the credit like all those men she’s criticizing. She positions herself as an “artist developer” rather than choreographer.

It’s probably deleted off the internet but Shane Dawson (yeah I know…) used to have a podcast episode with Tyler Oakley and he talked about meeting Laurieann and she spilt a lot of tea. Apparently Gaga only had creative control over her image but the label was heavily involved in the songwriting process. Essentially perfect pop music with weird attention grabbing visuals to keep media attention. Allegedly Gaga’s creative team actually liked her song ideas and encouraged her while her team focused on the business side + Laurieann felt like she was sabotaging her own career and cashed out before it was too late.

Akon basically did the same thing. Gaga definitely had creative control over more than just her image we have literal videos and photographs of her at her peak in the studio, writing the music, playing synths and keyboard, videos of her creative meetings in Gagavision and her putting together her shows. So she’s full of sh*t in that regard.

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6 hours ago, gagzus said:

Also Parris has been her best creative collaborator ever. And a better choreographer.

I feel like there's no need to lie about this part or rewrite history 

If we are talking purely based on execution nobody had captured Gaga's art through visual interpretation like laurieann and Paris is not a better choreographer. 

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2 hours ago, gagzus said:

Very much so yes, Richy pretty much claimed he made the bulk of her best known choreo anyway like Bad Romance and Judas whilst Boomkack “creatively directed and edited” them. Richy was the one who taught Gaga the BR choreo the night before the video shoot for instance.

I dont believe this because we have seen richy's choreography with ARTPOP, Joanne and Chromatica and his dance moves are very stylistically different from what Gaga's choreography used to be during during the fame - born this way. 

If you watch laurieanns choreo for other artists, you would see that they all share the same kind of movements with poker face, born this way, judas etc. 

If you watch richys choreo for other artists like jojo siwa you would see stupid love etc

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23 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

I feel like there's no need to lie about this part or rewrite history 

If we are talking purely based on execution nobody had captured Gaga's art through visual interpretation like laurieann and Paris is not a better choreographer. 

Parris absolutely is a better choreographer purely for the fact she takes Gaga’s skill into account. Creating iconic moves is good BUT as I said (and you have said in the above comment) Boomkack gave her moves and choreography like other artists who dance (hence my comment about her having her dancing like a 90s popstar — that mix of dance ability that requires little to no singing skill) and Richy pushed her dancing to be more like a professional dancer and not taking her actul skill, singing ability and need for breath control into account with what his interpretation of her essence is. Hence why she suffered on tour for TBTWB. 

Parris’ choreography on tour and in videos gives the essence of Gaga (Abra for example) but doesn’t sacrifice her skill, need to actually sing and takes her disability into account. Boomkack is actively claiming she made Gaga who she is and that is just not factually true in any sense. Also choreography is more than JUST dancing and Parris has choreographed no “dance break” segments better than Boomkack or Richy entirely. (If they even did that type of choreographing which from looking they did not)

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3 hours ago, gagzus said:

Parris seems to understand that Gaga is a woman, not a professional dancer, has a hidden disability (fibromyalgia) — she’s successfully made Gaga have more “effeminate” and powerful choreo, edited out mistakes from her old choreo, gave Gaga choreo breaks to catch her breath and not over exert herself. Where as Boomkack treated her like she was a dancing 90s popstar and Richy treated her like she was a male professional dancer — and gave her choreography that literally started off her fibro.

I beg to differ.

Gaga's earlier choreography with boomkack are some of the easiest to learn even for non dancers. Bad romance and Judas etc all require little to no leg movements, infact gaga was/is still able to do a lot of these choreos even with her fibro. Moreover Alejandro, paparazzi, love game etc are very effeminate without being "sexy" per se which is what made gagas choreo special from the beginning 

Paris is good and she's doing gaga justice but her highlights are Abracadabra which gaga struggles to keep up with live and the way she remixed the judas choreo.

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6 hours ago, gagzus said:

TLDR; she’s basically saying Gaga was controlled by men in her early career that prioritised themselves over her— which is correct (Troy, Vincent, Akon, Richy etc) but what she missed is the reason Gaga got rid of her is she tried to shape their collaborations to her own vision and not Gaga’s. A fact we’ve known forever and why Gaga ditched her after You & I to solely direct Marry The Night.

Also Parris has been her best creative collaborator ever. And a better choreographer.

 

5 hours ago, gagzus said:

if i remember rightly, the information we have is that she (in 2011 specifically) tried to go over Gaga's head and directly to Troy to vito certain creative decisions (ironically during this time Troy was also going behind her back on decisions she didn't know about too) specifically on the music video sets, Boomkack also was part of the split from Joseph Kahn over TEOG too, although no outright confirmation, we believe she was actually the one who caused him to leave not Gaga. We know they had "creative differences" around the early conception of the Marry the Night video (which ended up with her and Gaga parting ways) and apparently they argued on the set of You & I according to one of her former dancers in the video. Also to note almost every interview that BoomKack had in 2011, before the split, she said "I directed" about Gaga's videos at the time (Judas, TEOG and Y&I) but Gaga specifically used to highlight they BOTH directed the videos. So it shows you what she thought of herself in the creative process vs the reality.

That all aside though Gaga has shown she doesn't stick with the same creative partners, and it's irritating all these early years hasbeens are coming out of the woodwork to praise her and talk about her now she's suddenly massive again (like Akon for instance).

As for the hot mess, i disagree that it was getting worse and worse, but it definitely didn't produce much amazing creative output when Richy was a creative director for some of her tours and videos (although his output for the BTWB choreo was 90% great) -- but as i said originally I believe Parris is the best creative collaborator she's had since DaDa and I hope she sticks around for a long time. 

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I always thought she was fired after that interview where she straight up said Gaga's art is just trying to recreate Madonna or something like that

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20 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Parris absolutely is a better choreographer purely for the fact she takes Gaga’s skill into account. Creating iconic moves is good BUT as I said (and you have said in the above comment) Boomkack gave her moves and choreography like other artists who dance (hence my comment about her having her dancing like a 90s popstar — that mix of dance ability that requires little to no singing skill) and Richy pushed her dancing to be more like a professional dancer and not taking her actul skill, singing ability and need for breath control into account with what his interpretation of her essence is. Hence why she suffered on tour for TBTWB. 

Parris’ choreography on tour and in videos gives the essence of Gaga (Abra for example) but doesn’t sacrifice her skill, need to actually sing and takes her disability into account. Boomkack is actively claiming she made Gaga who she is and that is just not factually true in any sense. Also choreography is more than JUST dancing and Parris has choreographed no “dance break” segments better than Boomkack or Richy entirely. (If they even did that type of choreographing which from looking they did not)

Just because I said there's similarities between Gaga's choreography and that of other artist laurieann has worked with does not mean I'm saying that they are of the same complexity.

Also Abra is a perfect example of what you are accusing laurieann of because gaga struggles with it live. Its a full chorus with continuous belting and the choreo  does not leave any breathing room. Its literally impossible for gaga to nail that choreo while singing live with a hand held mice without going off key or out of breath. Which explains why she's conveniently restricted in that dress during abra in the mayhem ball, I mean great creative direction on Paris part for coming up with a solution where the choreo isn't completely sacrificed.

 

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26 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Boomkack is actively claiming she made Gaga who she is and that is just not factually true in any sense.

This is my problem with boomkack. I wish she would just stick to the fact that she's was a contributor to what Gaga was able to create artistically and not the creator herself

But I will never deny her talent or her perfect visual execution of Gagas art

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2 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

This is my problem with boomkack. I wish she would just stick to the fact that she's was a contributor to what Gaga was able to create artistically and not the creator herself

But I will never deny her talent or her perfect visual execution of Gagas art

I just think she’s been clocked for lies too many times and needs to remember she’s not a visionary she’s a vendor.

Like (as previously mentioned in the thread) when she said Gaga had no creative control over her songwriting or the music despite the fact we have it well documented just how much creative control she had in her peak from videos of her in the studio, professional photography of her on tour playing instruments and helping write and produce her songs, her planning her stage shows, her making the decision to put herself in debt just to tour a show she wanted to tour and much more. She even co-directed/solo directed almost all the videos for Born This Way bar the lead (which the concept was still her idea).

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15 minutes ago, Jarpad said:

I always thought she was fired after that interview where she straight up said Gaga's art is just trying to recreate Madonna or something like that

I think much like everyone around her at the time, Boomkack just started getting an ego because she was working with the biggest popstar alive at the time, we know they clashed on the set of almost every video for BTW before they split before MTN became a single.  

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1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

But I will never deny her talent or her perfect visual execution of Gagas art

I agree with you 100% she did such iconic choreography on the level of pops greatest songs that made people actually learn the dance for how effective, visual, simple but matched and elevated the music videos/tours it accompanied  

I’m sorry but no other coreographer did that, there’s no iconic dance that the GP remembers in mayhem or ever since BTW 

I don’t agree with Lauriean’s claims too if she was the mastermind behind Gaga why she couldn’t do the same with other artists 

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she was a choreographer, she wasnt a creative director - pop stars change choreopgraphers every era, idk why laurieann gibson thinks gaga owes her anything, she got paid move tf on