Keir Stamer Resigns as UK Prime Minister

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31 minutes ago, gagzus said:

I think he will have to back down on the digital ID and social media ban because in order to impose an under 16 ban, it’s going to require people sign up to social media with the information Stamer said they could use to prove they’re over 16 like digital ID, credit cards and other ID documents. Which people are against sharing their information with social media sites. It’ll kill social media in the UK, not to the point of North Korea obviously but it’s a step in that direction. Thanks fully his tracking messages and content on your phone thing is never gonna fly I can’t see Burnham passing that

At best, we'll see it kicked down the road and left to rot in the white paper stage tbh. 

They will never publicly abandon it because of the heavy linking of it to child safety, making a clear move to kill it will be seen as too risky given the current status of UK political discourse over child abuse.

33 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Young people now face hardships unprecedented to the older generation when it comes to economics, finance and their future. And instead of wanting better for the next and younger generation people like Boomers and Gen X have prioritised themselves. Also doesn’t help that most people in politics are boomers or older with some millennials just finally becoming political figures.

It doesn't help that young people don't vote. 

Like since I was 16 I was door knocking for political parties. Hell, I finished an AS level exam and went out door knocking for the 2014 euros on election day. It was me and the local councillor for my area, no one else turned up and we covered the entire ward in the rain all to rally the vote to push Nick Griffin out. 

Not saying people need that level of commitment.

But even back then, before the rot had sunk as deep as it has now, I was one of 4 young people active in the local party under the age of 30. At that point, all that we'd lost was the EMA & a raise in tuition fees. 

And rather than actually mobilise, campaign and vote. Most young people my age and below just increasingly decided to sit it out. And young people have continued to lose more and more as a result. 

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1 hour ago, Bronco said:

At best, we'll see it kicked down the road and left to rot in the white paper stage tbh. 

They will never publicly abandon it because of the heavy linking of it to child safety, making a clear move to kill it will be seen as too risky given the current status of UK political discourse over child abuse.

It doesn't help that young people don't vote. 

Like since I was 16 I was door knocking for political parties. Hell, I finished an AS level exam and went out door knocking for the 2014 euros on election day. It was me and the local councillor for my area, no one else turned up and we covered the entire ward in the rain all to rally the vote to push Nick Griffin out. 

Not saying people need that level of commitment.

But even back then, before the rot had sunk as deep as it has now, I was one of 4 young people active in the local party under the age of 30. At that point, all that we'd lost was the EMA & a raise in tuition fees. 

And rather than actually mobilise, campaign and vote. Most young people my age and below just increasingly decided to sit it out. And young people have continued to lose more and more as a result. 

Yeah I imagine it will be left to rot sadly, and as I said it’s a catch 22 unless there’s some major changes young people won’t be spurred on. The social media ban for instance already sets a precedent that they don’t understand young people because; for better or for worse, young people use social media for everything. Communication, shared interests and resources, and even some job opportunities and to a degree unmoderated news and opinions (as I said for better or for worse) where you can find like minded people.

Also doesn’t help that there’s still a lot of rhetoric against modern life like having a job in social media management, content creation and digital marketing for instance. Yes views have changed but there’s still a lot of archaic views on phones, the internet and digital age being the devil — because we’re opposed to change it’s human nature obviously, but once Boomers and Gen X mostly die out in the next 20-30 years or so we’ll probably see a massive push for youth focused campaigning as we get millennials in politics and eventually Gen Z. 

I think young people feel bamboozled, we were raised with the idea that education would get you the best jobs and better life. Then suddenly it was experience, now it’s needing both but most young people only have one or the other. Older employers and company CEOs either hold the old view of education is god, some hold onto experience and this prioritise age because older = more experience to them, and then you have £30k a year jobs now that require at least a Bachelors degree AND years of experience which is impossible since now university requires so much involvement that you can’t have a job anymore — because a part time job is not enough and a full time job takes too much time and causes high levels of stress.

Also, older generations had earlier retirement age which has gone up by almost 10 years depending on the year you retired. (On that note us Millennials at the rate it’s all going we won’t be able to retire until our mid-late 70s and later generations might just not get retirement at all) They could buy houses, they could get married and have children. A single person could live a comfortable life on a 40 hours a week job. Older generations crashes the economy, enter unnecessary wars over resources and land that ran up trade prices, they ruined the 9-5 structure and that’s just a fact politicians refuse to acknowledge. Boomers and Gen X created austerity that no longer affects them personally.

I also think young people appreciate transparency, older people either pander to youth with stereotypes like responding online like a meme machine (which I personally find beyond cringey) or they still use the age old centrist diversion tactics to never answer a question directly.
 

i THINK both young and old people (sure some prefer the old tactics and no-fuss Britishness) would appreciate politicians who actually admit they don’t have the answers, like how often do politicians actually say the phrase “we don’t know” as an answer? And actually ask for feedback and discuss things properly WITH people. The last time a politician asked an honest question was David Cameron giving us the Brexit decision, which ended with him leaving because he didn’t believe in the decision and we’ve never been asked in such a way since (probably because Brexit made us economically worse off and everything people like Farage sold to us for Brexit turned out to be lies).

If Andy can be open and honest, I think it would do him a lot of favours, especially amongst younger people.

Edited June 22 by gagzus

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