Controversial Gaga Takes (Music Editions)

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1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Even more fascinating description tbh. My eyes got wider reading each word and I was all out laughing by the end 

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2 hours ago, imogen2133 said:

Not really, regardless of ARTPOPs quality or lack thereof PI is just a bad song, Mark Ronson ruined Kevin parkers version/production, Gaga is screaming the whole time and out of her usual range and the lyrics are incredibly basic and not up to Gaga's usual standards, it doesn't help that she tried to say it was about social media either in interviews because it clearly isn't. It is just about a lover not being who you thought they were. 

I mean, the song is pretty obviously about being disillusioned with her persona in addition to being about deep seated betrayal, but irrespective of that: absolutely mops pretty much all of ARTPOP.

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2 hours ago, imogen2133 said:

I don't get what your disdain for ARTPOP is really and you seem to dislike it more than you say which is your prerogative but anyway I just thought the scream part was kind of cringe and not natural (or in the live version especially) that is all. Also I don't see the cringe element of ARTPOP really, it is more campy than cringe and quite earnest and heartfelt at times as well. 

Eh, I just think ARTPOP has some of the cringiest sh*t she’s ever done on it, so I just think calling the bridge to Killah cringier than Donatella, GUY, or even MJH is just kind of unserious tbh. I also think you just tend to more generously interpret things as being camp or having intentionality if she did them before 2014 and you also generally assign more interpretive heft to anything she did before 2014 and basically resist interpreting anything after that with any level of charity or even interest, so really more addressing that inconsistency than expressing any deep seated disdain for ARTPOP.

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33 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, the song is pretty obviously about being disillusioned with her persona in addition to being about deep seated betrayal, but irrespective of that: absolutely mops pretty much all of ARTPOP.

I guess you could look at it that way but the main and intended meaning (also supported by Kevin Parkers demo and the lyrics generally) is that it is about her lover not being who she thought he was. An apt comparison of both ideas would be 2 Ariana songs, "in my head" and "hate that I made you love me", "in my head" is clearly about a lover that Ariana had a vision of in her head and with how he seemed did not turn out to be the case and there are plenty of lyrics that support that and don't open it to other interpretations (like it being about her fans or fame for example) and "hate that I made you love me" could be about a lover but there are many lyrics that suggest it is directed at her fans and her being mad at herself for building a relationship with them or her being angry that they fell in love with a certain version of her that she no longer is (especially the bridge part and considering all the drama and gossip surrounding her it is hard to not see it that way). 

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1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

 

 

Three duds in a row is impressive, ngl

Thank you 

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1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Eh, I just think ARTPOP has some of the cringiest sh*t she’s ever done on it, so I just think calling the bridge to Killah cringier than Donatella, GUY, or even MJH is just kind of unserious tbh. I also think you just tend to more generously interpret things as being camp or having intentionality if she did them before 2014 and you also generally assign more interpretive heft to anything she did before 2014 and basically resist interpreting anything after that with any level of charity or even interest, so really more addressing that inconsistency than expressing any deep seated disdain for ARTPOP.

Well you can be an ARTPOP hater and not like it all you want that is fine but I don't see the "cringe" per say on it. Actually I was watching Gaga's Isle Of Malta performance where she performed Lovegame and Beautiful, Dirty, Rich and she does this laugh right before that could be cringe if someone else did it but she sells it and commits and her performance ability and confidence sold it so I didn't see it as cringe. I mean if you think ARTPOP is cringe then you must logically think something like "Let's have some fun this beat is sick, I wanna take a ride on your disco stick", "Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint it's symphonic" or "Put your hands on me, John F Kennedy" are also cringe, (not saying I do obviously). Also about the whole "oh you just give more charitability to stuff before 2014, excuse me no. I think Gaga has over explained her past songs plenty of times or tried to make them seem deeper than they are throughout her career and there are songs like Jewels And Drugs and Paper Gangster that are not great really. I think some of her songs like Perfect Celebrity, Disease, Enigma and The Beast are interesting lyrically as well. I would also like to note that some ARTPOP songs don't have super deep meanings as well and I do not think it is a perfect album by any means and could have more songs or different ones that fit the concept better. Also this thing where you interpret songs that are mostly about love or romance as being about Gaga's fame/ her relationship with fame, if you stretch the lyrics enough you could do that with anything, let's try some ARTPOP songs since that is the main subject, G.U.Y: About how Gaga wants to be underneath in bed and submissive in relationships while still being powerful but also about how Gaga wants to act like a man and be dominant in her career and take charge and subvert the powerful men in the industry to do her own thing/be successful, Jewels And Drugs, About Gaga's love for drugs over jewelry and material things but also about how Gaga is screaming for her authenticity as an artist to be seen and her love for people around her being more important than money she gets, Donatella: A song about Donatella Versace, high fashion and how the media treats successful women in high positions of power but also about how she wants to last as long as Donatella in terms of popularity and be a name that is known forever like her and have her level of status. 

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