Pope Leo XIV says AI needs to be “disarmed”

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1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Reposting edit because it’s relevant to your reply:

Editorialwork isn’t reflective of the type of dehumanizing system optimization he’s referring to. He’s referring to how AI encourages companies to view human labor as a means to the end of creating AI models that can replace them. Employing Vatican scholars to aid in editorial work, who are enriched both spiritually and materially by their contributions, is not even the ballpark of what he’s talking about.

The way you're cooking 

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13 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

There is precisely zero irony there lol. Manually writing and editing a treatise to make sure it’s as tight as possible isn’t comparable to spitting an idea into a machine that exploits pre-existing writing to generate text from essentially nothing. Also, ns, but it’s kind of telling that you think this text is somehow so impenetrably dense that one person couldn’t have written it and had maybe one or two editors, when I think it’s actually totally believable that one guy probably wrote the bulk of this lol

Girl no need to make it sound like can't handle vocabulary cuz i do just fine.

However your assumption that one guy probably wrote the bulk of this and had maybe one or two editors' just shows you don't know how global institutional documentation works. This isn't a random tweet,  it's a papal encyclical. It literally goes through a massive global pipeline of dicasteries, legal committees, theologians, and a dedicated Latin translation secretariat to ensure total institutional alignment before a single word is published.

Where is the humanity in that 

 

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2 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

Because when a piece of text goes through so many layers of editing the final products feels and reads flawless and institutional just like AI, thats literally what AI is trained to do. 

Also, restating another point: it still kind of blows my mind that you think this text is so impenetrably dense that it couldn’t’ve possibly been written largely by one person with maybe one or two editors when there’s nothing about this text to me (as someone who has worked as a tutor, editor, technical writer, and has written formal philosophy) that feels like something that’s been sanded over by too many hands or something that’s too complex to have been written largely by one guy lol.

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Just now, RenegAde said:

Girl no need to make it sound like can't handle vocabulary cuz i do just fine.

However your assumption that one guy probably wrote the bulk of this and had maybe one or two editors' just shows you don't know how global institutional documentation works. This isn't a random tweet,  it's a papal encyclical. It literally goes through a massive global pipeline of dicasteries, legal committees, theologians, and a dedicated Latin translation secretariat to ensure total institutional alignment before a single word is published.

Where is the humanity in that 

 

I’m not making it sound that way, you’re literally the one who called it a wall of dense language lmao. Also, again, not every encyclical goes through that the entire institutional gauntlet you’ve described. He likely drafted a great deal of it on his own (given the consistent authorial voice of the encyclical) and it underwent relevant theological review and editing. Nothing about institutional review suggests a lack of humanity, in part because all of the work is being done by *humans* (a point you keep evading for some reason), but also because the work isn’t this endless process of cowriting, given that the Church nor the Vatican are a monolith nor does every Pope espouse the same ideology. If the institutional process of editing somehow overwrote the position of any given Pope, how would you explain the ideological differences between so many different Popes? 

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22 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Reposting edit because it’s relevant to your reply:

Editorialwork isn’t reflective of the type of dehumanizing systemic optimization he’s referring to. He’s referring to how AI encourages companies to view human labor as a means to the end of creating AI models that can replace them. Employing Vatican scholars to aid in editorial work, who are enriched both spiritually and materially by their contributions, is not even the ballpark of what he’s talking about.

I never disagreed with the sentiments of the general message. Its quite a universal position which most people agree with.

My point has always been the medium vs the message, that is why i quoted the particular paragraph that was giving machine and not the entire post.

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13 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I’m not making it sound that way, you’re literally the one who called it a wall of dense language lmao. Also, again, not every encyclical goes through that the entire institutional gauntlet you’ve described. He likely drafted a great deal of it on his own (given the consistent authorial voice of the encyclical) and it underwent relevant theological review and editing. Nothing about institutional review suggests a lack of humanity, in part because all of the work is being done by *humans* (a point you keep evading for some reason), but also because the work isn’t this endless process of cowriting, given that the Church nor the Vatican are a monolith nor does every Pope espouse the same ideology. If the institutional process of editing somehow overwrote the position of any given Pope, how would you explain the ideological differences between so many different Popes? 

I called it "a wall of elite vocabulary" not dense text

Also I'm not evading the fact that humans do the work but humans are also capable of building systems or writing texts that reads formulaic and sterile especially when its coming from a global corporation like the Vatican. We created the LLMs after all.

Also the Popes have different ideologies but the execution in how they communicate these ideologies to the public is always the same because it has to go through the same institutional filter as every other pope before him  which leads to  my point

Its ironic because the individual Popes dont change their beliefs but the bureaucracy changes how their beliefs are communicated to the public and optimizes it to this safe, flawless, hyper polished texts which can effectively still strip away the humanity his letter is trying to protect. 

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20 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Can’t find a source on that. What is this referring to?

https://www.icostidellachiesa.it/

It's in Italian but u can translate it or learn italian 

@Ladle Ghoulash did u happen to check the source?

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Pope Leo XIV the fundamentally exploitative nature of AI:

”Nothing in the world of Al is immaterial or magical. Every seemingly immediate and flawless response is the result of a long chain of mediation, involving vast networks of natural resources, energy infrastructure and, above all, people.”

“Even today, colonialism assumes new forms. It no longer dominates only bodies, but appropriates data, transforming personal lives into exploitable information.”

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Pope Leo XIV on the morality of AI as a system:

“…we cannot consider Al to be morally neutral. In reality, every technical tool embodies choices and priorities through what it measures, ignores and optimizes, and how it classifies people and situations. If a system is designed or used in a way that treats some lives as less worthy, or excludes them without the possibility of appeal, then it is not merely a tool "to be used well," since it has already introduced criteria that contradict the inalienable dignity of the human person. For this reason, ethical discernment cannot be limited to asking whether we are using a system for good or bad purposes; it must also examine how that system is designed and what vision of the human person and society is embedded in the data and models that guide it.”

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I mean, it’s nice that the Pope is saying people shouldn’t be treated as tools and all - he does sound more progressive than many of his predecessors and that’s objectively a good thing, even if the bar is extremely low. But it's funny how people are actually praising and defending the Catholic Church for arriving at basic humanism in 2026, framing the pope of all people as some rebel force against social injustice?? 'Human beings shouldn’t be reduced to utility' is actually supposed to be the most basic moral starting line, not some revolutionary wisdom.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church and all Abrahamic religions tbh historically helped shape many of the moral structures that justify violence, hierarchy, shame, discrimination, segregation and misogyny on a global scale in the first place, and do so to this day. It's giving billionaire landlord delivering a moving speech about housing inequality while standing in front of all the buildings his family spent centuries buying up. Maybe let's not treat basic empathy like a groundbreaking revelation or hand out medals to an institution for slowly sanding down the very problems it helped normalize.

Edited May 26 by howsAnnie

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People will become like potatoes, sat prompting a bias AI system to form their knowledge and opinions.

People will be manipulated on a seriously mass scale, it goes against every grain of what a human being is.

The whole thing just reeks rotten and Im surprised so many people on a global scale lack forsight.

Weve all been desensitised and many of us demoralised so much that we unfortunately let this **** just creep into our daily lives.

 

Edited May 26 by Mars

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15 hours ago, River said:

to me it's equal to miss universe wishing for world peace from her little pedestal.

I mean, it's nice and all, but before that, he needs to fix so many things inside the catholic church, and I'm not talking about the pedophilia part, which is something that every single pope failed to stop. I'm talking about the an estimated $50 billions to $1 trillion of money that church has that could feed so many people in need, the crazy amount of properties it's owning around the world and especially in Italy, and that it's nothing but a parasite in Italy's ass, taking money from the people and influencing the politics.

The Catholic Church is one of the largest, and possibly the largest, charitable organizations in the world. It is the largest non-government provider of education and healthcare worldwide, and it runs huge global systems of hospitals, schools, clinics, orphanages, shelters, food aid programs, refugee support, and poverty relief. Of course, you could always do more, but it’s probably more on a personal level, from priest to priest.

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I agree destroy AI before it’s too late. And I don’t trust “regulations” given the government of any country nearly is corrupt and hides things from their people. The cons outweigh the pros tenfold. I don’t understand why almost everyone is so neutral on this. We’ve seen already with social media how quick things can take over the world and become engrained into our daily lives, and change the way of living on massive scales. 
 

idk why I’m typing any of this out fr tho. I fear things like this because I know it’s a matter of WHEN it happens vs IF it happens. 

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18 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Goalpost shifted, but also: why is it so difficult to believe that he might genuinely want to use his platform for good? He consistently speaks out against wars, economic inequality, and social injustice. I get being cynical about organized religion, but it’s not insignificant that this Pope has consistently stood against the powerful and with the powerless since being appointed. Regardless of how you, I, or anyone may feel about the Catholic Church, him saying this is a net good.

For real, the aversion to nuance is why alt right parties are winning in every election on a global scale.

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18 hours ago, Borislshere said:

It’s so refreshing seeing a public figure speak eloquently and with common sense.

Not to mention compassion, I really like where the Catholic church has been headed ever since Pope Francis