Axios: AOC undecided, but making 2028 moves

[gagzus 24,779]

25 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Ngl I honestly don’t think that’s true. If anything, I think centrists are probably more unpopular than they’ve ever been because Trump 2.0 has shown how thoroughly morally and ideologically bankrupt they are and how disinterested they are in actually governing (not to mention the positions most centrists hold are widely unpopular). I know not everything’s about Israel, but I think supporting Israel (and AIPAC candidates) was basically the centrist position: both parties did it, people either didn’t care or actively supported it. Now, AIPAC money is radioactive in both parties and the “centrists” (center-left and center-right) are scrambling to adjust their messaging without losing donor money while they hemorrhage support. I think this dynamic also extends well beyond Israel as well (Gen AI + data centers, Epstein, economic populism).
 

I think, if anything, the country is probably more primed than ever for a genuine economic populist who’s socially progressive because the material conditions have gotten so bad that the bottom is falling out of a lot of the culture war machine because people don’t have the bandwidth to give a **** about stuff like that, so they’d probably be more open to voting for, let’s say, a candidate that supports LGBTQ+ issues if they spend the bulk of their campaign fighting for affordability (basically the Bernie Sanders model).

obviously i'm not american and can only speak from an outside perspective, but the UK political situation is usually affected by the views of american politicians and we're very much rejecting leftist policies nowadays in the UK. Our arguably only left party now is the Green party but the media seems to have a hit out on them currently.

Our anti-trans laws are arguably now worse than the US, now it's been made illegal for trans people to go into the bathroom they feel comfortable in entirely. And unlike the US where it differs by state this now affects all four nations in the UK. There was a far right anti-immigrant march (let's be honest it's anti-anyone-not-white) last week where racists flooded London which is the first time a protest of that magnitude has happened in London for a very long time. The BBC and Broadcasters are actively pushing pro-Isreal propaganda and  censoring pro-Palestinian opinion. It's just getting worse by the day. 

However, despite all that ALL the political party leaders are under scrutiny. Kier Stamer (our current PM) is under scrutiny about his treatment of pensions, older people in general and immigration (despite our immigration being reported at a -- rather bad actually, all time low). Nigel Farage and his Reform party are under scrutiny because they want to make massive cuts and enforce "Americanisation" on us like singing our National Anthem before school days start and having England flags (note: England not British) hanging in every classroom. Zack Polanski (who I'm voting for) is under scrutiny for his (misinterpreted) drugs policy, in that he no longer wants drugs to be entirely illegal because "people will do them anyway, we'd rather have them regulated". He's also under scrutiny for a lot more things like his views on Nuclear power, being pro-LGBTQ+ (he's the only out-gay person running) and for being a Jewish man who's against Isreal. 

Sorry this was long and a rant lowkey akdhdkf my point is this;

If the UK a somewhat more liberal country than the US clearly is gonna need a centrist then the US absolutely is too sadly. Because our relationship is important and currently we're closing in on a general election and our options so far are;

A man who won't stand upto trump but also won't break to his desire for war - Stamer
A woman who is very anti-american and will not give trump the time of day - Badenoch
A man who is for the americanisation of the UK and loves trump dearly - Farage
And a man who hates Trump specifically, but is willing to work with world leaders despite him being hard left - Polanski

I think if AOC becomes President of the US, then the UK's next leader is absolutely going to be Polanski

Edited May 25 by gagzus

[JoeCool 1,080]

I think she is too left of center for mainstream Americans.  I can't see her beating a "more sane GOP" candidate.  That would include even Vance or Rubio.  

 

That being said Trump's popularity is at record lows.  Even folks that voted for him have soured on him when surprise surprise the economy is still in the tanks.  A lot can change for sure in 2.5 years 

 

 

Edited May 25 by JoeCool

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,281]

27 minutes ago, gagzus said:

If the UK a somewhat more liberal country than the US clearly is gonna need a centrist then the US absolutely is too sadly.

I just don’t really think the climates are even remotely similar between the UK and the US atp. I could be wrong but, to me, the UK atm feels to me like the US between 2020-2024: the leader of the country is a feckless moderate who gets painted by the far right as a leftist radical and as a right winger by the leftists, people are angry about the economy + inflation, xenophobia, racism, and bigotry are rising out of disinfo campaigns capitalizing on economic dissatisfaction and pre-COVID economic/social nostalgia etc. That climate, to me, feels like a pressure cooker or a powder keg about to explode.

Meanwhile, the US is like a powder keg that has actively exploded: because a percentage of Americans within the margin of error threw a temper tantrum about the economy (and to some extent either endorsed or tolerated his culture war nonsense) and because the Dems failed to offer a compelling alternative,  they’ve now elected a man who has thrown the US economy into unprecedented chaos multiple times, a man who has revealed deep institutional rot through his implication with Epstein + KGB + Mossad, and a man who was dragged into a pointless foreign war driving up the cost of living at the behest of Israel while simultaneously driving a stake through the heart of US global hegemony. Under those circumstances, I genuinely have hard time imagining that anyone would be interested in business as usual and centrist Dems, in spite of broad opposition to the GOP, are also historically unpopular and many of whom could be unseated by progressive challengers. I just really don’t see this as a moment when anyone stands to gain anything from being tepid because the country is, imo, pretty obviously looking for seismic change.

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,281]

35 minutes ago, JoeCool said:

I think she is too left of center for mainstream Americans.  I can't see her beating a "more sane GOP" candidate.  That would include even Vance or Rubio.  

 

That being said Trump's popularity is at record lows.  Even folks that voted for him have soured on him when surprise surprise the economy is still in the tanks.  A lot can change for sure in 2.5 years 

 

 

Tbf, I think there’s no world where either Vance or Rubio win a GOP primary atp. Anyone involved in this admin is basically dead to rights with the MAGA base over Iran, Epstein, and Israel.

[Laxy 408]

I think she should run but I am not certain she should run this time given how divided and racist America is at the moment. When she does become president she will be EXCELLENT.

[JoeCool 1,080]

3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Tbf, I think there’s no world where either Vance or Rubio win a GOP primary atp. Anyone involved in this admin is basically dead to rights with the MAGA base over Iran, Epstein, and Israel.

Vance actually I read really didn't want anything to do with Iran.  He just got more or less strong armed into it.  

 

If somehow he can separate himself from Trump over the next few years kind of thing.  If possible 

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,281]

10 hours ago, JoeCool said:

Vance actually I read really didn't want anything to do with Iran.  He just got more or less strong armed into it.  

 

If somehow he can separate himself from Trump over the next few years kind of thing.  If possible 

I don’t think anyone’s gonna buy that, tbh. Especially when you look at him coming out and supporting Trump’s efforts in Iran (to and including Trump’s threats to end Iranian civilization with a nuke). I just think he’s been so sycophantic that there’s no way for him to separate himself from Trump atp because he’s gleefully gone along with everything Trump has done and reads as an empty suit to a lot of people. I honestly would be more concerned about someone like Tucker Carlson taking the right wing, anti-establishment populist angle and winning over independent voters than I would be about Vance or Rubio 

Edited May 25 by Ladle Ghoulash

[Nemo 4,414]

I'd rather see her go for governor or senator first, to build her creds. But I'd vote for her.

[MountainMonster 2,826]

Honestly, I’d vote for a potato if it had a (D) next to it on the ballot. And honestly, why not have a populist left movement. Obviously populism has worked for the right. 

[Economy 53,076]

4 hours ago, jacs vs looser said:

She's young, of Puerto Rican descent and a woman: she doesn't stand a chance in 2028. Assuming of course there are actually elections then.

I feel like the most prejudiced people almost always vote Republican anyway

 

How relevant would u say it is among democrats and left leaning independents? Obama did manage to win in 2008 and then again in 2012 despite some claiming America wasnt ready for a black President

[ANVEEROY 65,665]

Some of you folks did not learn from 2024. This/That, nope politics is very unpredictable. She can win. Trump won twice, not the support with moderates fyi. With die hard fans of his (literary cult), and second term with working class people. 
 

stop focusing on moderates and start focusing on working class people!!! 

Edited May 25 by ANVEEROY

[Economy 53,076]

1 hour ago, ANVEEROY said:

Some of you folks did not learn from 2024. This/That, nope politics is very unpredictable. She can win. Trump won twice, not the support with moderates fyi. With die hard fans of his (literary cult), and second term with working class people. 
 

stop focusing on moderates and start focusing on working class people!!! 

And AOC has die hard fans. It may help voter turn out!

 

Then again republicans who "hate socialism" may also feel urgency to come out. Would be an interesting battle

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[Jill 31,812]

6 hours ago, jacs vs looser said:

She's young, of Puerto Rican descent and a woman: she doesn't stand a chance in 2028.

Nice to know Dems and dem supporters are so keen on supporting new candidates with new visions and different backgrounds instead of the same old white perfect smile trust fund baby. oh wait

Edited May 25 by Jill

[River 128,605]

She's too polarizing, she has too many haters, inside the dem party and outside... even if she were a white old hag, she wouldn't have a single chance to win.

[Kevbev 514]

5 hours ago, Monstermilo said:

i think realistically we need someone like newsom, its not about the perfect candidate, its about someone who can go toe to toe petty with whoever the reps run in 2028. 

if trump finds a ludicrous way to run again, i honestly will consider moving back to canada cuz im so done with US politics  

It can't be Newsom. He's awful and believes in nothing. If the Democrats feel the need to nominate a straight, white male, it should be Jon Ossoff or Chris Van Hollen.