Ladle Ghoulash 50,983 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) 11 minutes ago, imogen2133 said: Well I'm following logic and a storyline because it is presented as a linear narrative with interludes, projections, outfit changes and narration so one would assume one event follows the last. However reading over these posts again I think I understand(at least the beginning part) it just becomes a bit confusing that the projections look the same as the characters presented later in the show who are separate, also @Bronco said it is supposed to be the Mistress(as in the one in the rest of the show) but you said it wasn't and that it was just a projection of Gaga's inner thoughts/how she sees her dual identity in the beginning How can it be the Mistress if she is the one who watches over the 2 halves of Gaga(like in the Disease video and during the The Beast performance) And the logic and narrative structure are consistent with the show having a dream logic/theatre of the kind format lmao. No one said those were diametrically opposed. I said you’re overly literalizing it because they’re all functionally extensions of Gaga’s psyche (including the version of the Mistress in Disease). They’re all pieces of a fragmented psyche, so there isn’t, fundamentally, one superseding persona except Gaga herself (which is how the show operates on a meta level). I also never said the Lady in Red wasn’t the Mistress, I said that because the characters are non-literal abstractions of her psyche that they operate on multiple levels. Ns, I don’t know how many times anyone can be expected to explain the exact same thing because the convo is feeling increasingly circular. It’s fine if you find surrealism and dream logic confusing, but at least three people have tried to explain it to you at this point and you seem to insist on overly literalizing it. Edited May 18 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imogen2133 516 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: And the logic and narrative structure are consistent with the show having a dream logic/theatre of the kind format lmao. No one said those were diametrically opposed. I said you’re overly literalizing it because they’re all functionally extensions of Gaga’s psyche (including the version of the Mistress in Disease). They’re all pieces of a fragmented psyche, so there isn’t, fundamentally, one superseding persona except Gaga herself (which is how the show operates on a meta level). I also never said the Lady in Red wasn’t the Mistress, I said that because the characters are non-literal abstractions of her psyche that they operate on multiple levels. Ns, I don’t know how many times anyone can be expected to explain the exact same thing because the convo is feeling increasingly circular. It’s fine if you find surrealism and dream logic confusing, but at least three people have tried to explain it to you at this point and you seem to insist on overly literalizing it. No it's fine now I understand it a bit better, and I have seen plenty of plays and movies that have dream like logic one of my fav movies (Joker 2019) uses it for it's storytelling and I can understand that just fine, it was just a bit confusing at first because Gaga is playing a few different characters and they transform through the show but I think your explanations have made it more clear now. Also I would say the BTW video follows surrealist themes and logic to a degree and that's one of my fav videos from her and I understood it fine so this has been interesting anyway glad it is cleared up now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerMonsterNotta 2,132 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 On 5/17/2026 at 1:17 AM, GerMonsterNotta said: 1. Disease video plot? Like what’s actually going on scene by scene 2. Why the idea of dolls for TDD with that doll island etc 3. For Coachella set what were those outfits for Killah 4. who is she singing to and about in HBDYWM what’s with hair and ripped up jeans 5. In Mayhem ball what does she sign on the parchment during Schiesse …. Fellow wondering monsters… Any help with points 1 - 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 23,788 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, GerMonsterNotta said: …. Fellow wondering monsters… Any help with points 1 - 3 1. Its an urban gothic designed to introduce us to the themes of Mayhem the album & Mayhem the era. You've got DarkGa (black hair) and LightGa (Blonde) and then the Mistress of Mayhem orchestrating the scene. If you interpret DarkGa as early years Gaga and the hunger for fame & success, then her being hit by the car is when the Mistress "corrupted" her (the corruption happening later in the video. Then corrupted DarkGa has the scene where she unmasks the Mistress and realises the wretched monster who's tortured her and corrupted her is actually herself - her inner monster. And then we have the walls moving in scene immediately afterwards which I think represents that period of time after ARTPOP where Gaga was truly wrestling with her identity and essentially hating her inner Monster and what she became because of it. The gays know how to party 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 23,788 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 12 minutes ago, GerMonsterNotta said: 3. For Coachella set what were those outfits for Killah Its what happen when you run out of time & budget when planning a show in 2 weeks lol Seeing TAOPC 1.0 (Coachella/Stadium promo tour) vs TAOPC 2.0 makes it really clear that the second half of the show was less fleshed out to begin with than the first half. The gays know how to party 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Gaga 8,496 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 2 hours ago, imogen2133 said: No it's fine now I understand it a bit better, and I have seen plenty of plays and movies that have dream like logic one of my fav movies (Joker 2019) uses it for it's storytelling and I can understand that just fine, it was just a bit confusing at first because Gaga is playing a few different characters and they transform through the show but I think your explanations have made it more clear now. Also I would say the BTW video follows surrealist themes and logic to a degree and that's one of my fav videos from her and I understood it fine so this has been interesting anyway glad it is cleared up now. I see it as 3 characters, but they're all Gaga. The host, the dark side, the bright side. It's like any of us, we're in the middle, but you have the angel and devil on your left and right when you make decisions, that's how I see it. DarkGa and mistress of Mayhem have to be 2 different characters, otherwise why would they be competing during Million reasons? Bad romance act, by the end of the tour it made more sense with the outfit and hair merging red, black, and white, 3 in 1. more on insta @linus9nuts 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 50,983 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Linus Gaga said: I see it as 3 characters, but they're all Gaga. The host, the dark side, the bright side. It's like any of us, we're in the middle, but you have the angel and devil on your left and right when you make decisions, that's how I see it. DarkGa and mistress of Mayhem have to be 2 different characters, otherwise why would they be competing during Million reasons? Bad romance act, by the end of the tour it made more sense with the outfit and hair merging red, black, and white, 3 in 1. See, I always saw ACT IV Gaga as an evolution of EtherealGa (the change in hair color being reflective of how they become closer to each integrating with each other as the show progresses). Edited May 18 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotLikeMexico 6,462 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 People arguing about three Gagas for the mayhem ball Meanwhile I just thought blonde Gaga during the show was just the Gaga we know, aka her good side, then when she wears the black wig, and thats supposed to represent the mistress aka her dark side. Gaga is very much trying to pull away from the mistress the entire show and in the end learns to embrace the darkness and the two become one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 50,983 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, HotLikeMexico said: People arguing about three Gagas for the mayhem ball Meanwhile I just thought blonde Gaga during the show was just the Gaga we know, aka her good side, then when she wears the black wig, and thats supposed to represent the mistress aka her dark side. Gaga is very much trying to pull away from the mistress the entire show and in the end learns to embrace the darkness and the two become one. Ok but which one of them was orange We have forgotten our public MANNERS 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotLikeMexico 6,462 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Ok but which one of them was orange you are asking the real questions! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,343 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Ok but which one of them was orange There was an orange? Whimsical bitch Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotLikeMexico 6,462 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Just now, PartySick said: There was an orange? The saga for what happened to Mayhem Orange continues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 50,983 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PartySick said: There was an orange? There was a 3rd Gaga they workshopped for a couple dates with a heavy spray tan called Lady Guido and her only appearance was walking across the chess board with a slice of pizza in hand during PF, it getting knocked out of her hand, and her throwing her arms up and shouting, “EY, I’M WALKIN HERE!” then getting decapitated by the Mistress. Got a lot of laughs, but Gaga felt that the laughter reflected the audience’s failure to understand the seriousness with which New York Italians revere pizza, so out of respect for her Sicilian grandparents, she cut Lady Guido (though rumor has it, she still haunts the opera house to this day. If you listen very closely after midnight, you can still hear the echoes of her tenderizing a chicken breast with a cast iron skillet). Edited May 19 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,343 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: There was a 3rd Gaga they workshopped for a couple dates with a heavy spray tan called Lady Guido and her only appearance was walking across the chess board with a slice of pizza in hand during PF, it getting knocked out of her hand, and her throwing her arms up and shouting, “EY, I’M WALK-IN HERE!” then getting decapitated by the Mistress. I could imagine the small Brooklyn Baddie walking through these two weird bitches fighting with canes, veils, and a small militia of 💅s wondering what the f*ck is going on Whimsical bitch 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 50,983 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 1 minute ago, PartySick said: I could imagine the small Brooklyn Baddie walking through these two weird bitches fighting with canes, veils, and a small militia of 💅s wondering what the f*ck is going on God bless her for having her tits out here for no reason. No one show this to @gagacabana… Edited May 19 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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