Mayhem details that you still didn't get?

[River 124,966]

why did they stay up all night, woke up the zombie, just to tell him that they don't want him to stay, but don't want him to walk away? then like goodbye bitch I'll see u in my dreams, was it a shade????? 

[imogen2133 327]

16 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Because Bad Romance has almost always been staged as being about Stefani’s relationship to Gaga and Gaga’s relationship to fame (not to mention that, if you view the dynamic between EtherealGa and the Mistress as being toxic and somewhat dangerous, the idea of it being a “bad romance” makes pretty straight forward sense, imo). Also: again, the death isn’t really literal as much as it is figurative: she sends her into a dream (à la The Wizard of Oz or Alice in Wonderland) where the dream is a challenge/test and the consequence of failure is death (but she passes the test and doesn’t die).

Also: re: Disease: they’re all Gaga (which is established in the video when EtherealGa is born and takes off the Mistress’ mask to reveal they’re the same person and her shock that she’s doing this to herself). She also doesn’t talk about the Mistress as a separate entity in the opening of the tour, tho. She is the Lady in Red there, which is the same character as the Mistress (shared use of the cane, thru line between Disease -> Abra).

I understand that they are all Gaga obviously but in the opening interlude of the show EtherealGa is speaking with what seems to be The Mistress(the same one during Bloody Mary, Abracadabra etc) but they both say "but I will know if in the end the Mistress of mayhem wins" implying she is separate/another Gaga when the one who is apparently the mistress is saying that part?

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[Bronco 21,425]

6 minutes ago, imogen2133 said:

I understand that they are all Gaga obviously but in the opening interlude of the show EtheralGa is speaking with what seems to be The Mistress(the same one during Bloody Mary, Abracadabra etc) but they both say "but I will know if in the end the Mistress of mayhem wins" implying she is separate/another Gaga when the one who is apparently the mistress is saying that part?

I personally think you're making the mistake of thinking its anyone other than Gaga speaking that opening monologue. The 2 visions of her on screen are just representing the 2 halfs of Gaga as they exist as the start of the show. 2 seperate identities, 2 competing identities but foreshadowing the journey of the show and its conclusion. Despite her viewing them as competing parts to begin with, they're not actually doing so and then the show is the journey to realise this. 

[imogen2133 327]

8 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Why is called MAYHEM by “Lady Gaga?” What’s next? PANDEMONIUM by Lord Goo Goo?

Seaside lead single and Mustang promo single! Top 10 Billboard Hot 100 debut and 20 music videos, oh she's coming

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4 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I personally think you're making the mistake of thinking its anyone other than Gaga speaking that opening monologue. The 2 visions of her on screen are just representing the 2 halfs of Gaga as they exist as the start of the show. 2 seperate identities, 2 competing identities but foreshadowing the journey of the show and its conclusion. Despite her viewing them as competing parts to begin with, they're not actually doing so and then the show is the journey to realise this. 

Yes but the 2 halves are represented in the opening as EtherealGa who appears later and the Mistress not any seperate characters. Unless there is a seperate character I am not aware of.

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[Bronco 21,425]

Just now, imogen2133 said:

Yes butt he 2 halves are represented in the opening as EtherealGa who appears later and the Mistress not any seperate characters. Unless there is a seperate character I am not aware of.

There isn't a third character (unless you count Gaga herself). 

The opening monologue is Gaga speaking, thats her inner monologue and how she views the mental battle at that point in the show. The 2 depictions on screen are just visualisations of her speaking of this - they themselves are just echoing what Gaga herself is saying and not themselves speaking or speaking about themselves. 

Hence my comment about it being a foreshadowing of the show's resolution - Gaga realising that these 2 identities aren't distinct identities, they are just Gaga. Thats why at the start they both speak Gaga's inner thoughts. Because despite her seeing them as seperate clashing identities, they're not. 

 

[gagzus 20,247]

12 hours ago, HotLikeMexico said:

Why is the album’s original color orange and then completely abandoned. Why was the imagery all dark but the body of work was mainly disco and funk. 

I imagine the orange was for branding purposes because as a graphic designer I can tell you the common contemporary rule is you must contrast grey scale with colour. They probably just chose it for contrast and to make the marketing stand out. 
 

As for the imagery, she probably sees it as a separate story to music, like how Born This Way has a metal influenced album cover but the music is mostly softer and upbeat 80s Synthpop/electropop and pop-rock. 

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42 minutes ago, Bronco said:

There isn't a third character (unless you count Gaga herself). 

The opening monologue is Gaga speaking, thats her inner monologue and how she views the mental battle at that point in the show. The 2 depictions on screen are just visualisations of her speaking of this - they themselves are just echoing what Gaga herself is saying and not themselves speaking or speaking about themselves. 

Hence my comment about it being a foreshadowing of the show's resolution - Gaga realising that these 2 identities aren't distinct identities, they are just Gaga. Thats why at the start they both speak Gaga's inner thoughts. Because despite her seeing them as seperate clashing identities, they're not. 

 

Oh ok then, then why does one of them look like the Mistress who comes out after in the cage dress?

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20 minutes ago, imogen2133 said:

Oh ok then, then why does one of them look like the Mistress who comes out after in the cage dress?

Because it is a depiction of the Mistress? I don't think you understand what I'm saying 

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25 minutes ago, imogen2133 said:

Oh ok then, then why does one of them look like the Mistress who comes out after in the cage dress?

I feel what @Bronco means is: Gaga (the human being with flaws and imperfections) is questioning everything in the interlude, she thinks theres two parts of her, the good one (white) and the bad one (red/mistress).

Both good and bad just repeat what Gaga is questioning, thats why you hear the echoing of the different voices from the good Gaga and the mistress.

The show ends with Bad Romance having the good and the bad Gagas merged into one. 

Then its Gaga, the human coming out with HBDUWM.

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,032]

2 hours ago, imogen2133 said:

Oh ok then, then why does one of them look like the Mistress who comes out after in the cage dress?

 

1 hour ago, Juanlittlem said:

I feel what @Bronco means is: Gaga (the human being with flaws and imperfections) is questioning everything in the interlude, she thinks theres two parts of her, the good one (white) and the bad one (red/mistress).

Both good and bad just repeat what Gaga is questioning, thats why you hear the echoing of the different voices from the good Gaga and the mistress.

The show ends with Bad Romance having the good and the bad Gagas merged into one. 

Then its Gaga, the human coming out with HBDUWM.

Yeah, exactly this. The characters are just abstract/symbolic representations of Gaga’s own thoughts and feelings and the whole thing takes place in the theatre of her mind (like a dream). By extension of being two interacting parts of Gaga’s psyche, they’re the same person, but the duel between them is just literalizing an internal conflict, which is resolved by the end of the show.

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2 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

 

Yeah, exactly this. The characters are just abstract/symbolic representations of Gaga’s own thoughts and feelings and the whole thing takes place in the theatre of her mind (like a dream). By extension of being two interacting parts of Gaga’s psyche, they’re the same person, but the duel between them is just literalizing an internal conflict, which is resolved by the end of the show.

 

4 hours ago, Juanlittlem said:

I feel what @Bronco means is: Gaga (the human being with flaws and imperfections) is questioning everything in the interlude, she thinks theres two parts of her, the good one (white) and the bad one (red/mistress).

Both good and bad just repeat what Gaga is questioning, thats why you hear the echoing of the different voices from the good Gaga and the mistress.

The show ends with Bad Romance having the good and the bad Gagas merged into one. 

Then its Gaga, the human coming out with HBDUWM.

I understand that it just doesn't make sense that the Gaga on the left side in the opening looks like the Mistress but she isn't supposed to be and she speaks about the Mistress in the third person, unless that Gaga isn't supposed to be the mistress? I say this because the Mistress shows up right after during Bloody Mary with the cage dress but she is also the one on the left during the opening interlude. I think my question is pretty straight forward. 

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27 minutes ago, imogen2133 said:

 

I understand that i just doesn't make sense that the Gaga on the left side in the opening looks like the Mistress but she isn't supposed to be and she speaks about the Mistress in the third person, unless that Gaga isn't supposed to be the mistress? I say this because the Mistress shows up right after during Bloody Mary with the cage dress but she is also the one on the left during the opening interlude. I think my question is pretty straight forward. 

I mean, they’re both looking at each other while saying “the Mistress stands before me,” which reinforces the idea, reflected later in BR, that they’re two sides of a shared entity that could collectively be called MAYHEM. They perceive each other as adversaries (and the source of the “inner chaos”) while simultaneously foreshadowing that they are, intuitively, one and the same. I honestly think you’re being overly literal about a show that clearly functions within the dream logic of a mind divided against itself.

Edited 2 hours ago by Ladle Ghoulash

[Bronco 21,425]

57 minutes ago, imogen2133 said:

I understand that i just doesn't make sense that the Gaga on the left side in the opening looks like the Mistress but she isn't supposed to be

That is supposed to be the mistress.

1 hour ago, imogen2133 said:

I say this because the Mistress shows up right after during Bloody Mary with the cage dress but she is also the one on the left during the opening interlude

Why would that alter whether one is the mistress or not? 

The intro is a Video introduction, the Bloody Mary number is the opening number of the show. 

Have you ever seen a theatre show where its narrated by a singular character who is also depicted throughout the show? Same principle here.

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1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, they’re both looking at each other while saying “the Mistress stands before me,” which reinforces the idea, reflected later in BR, that they’re two sides of a shared entity that could collectively be called MAYHEM. They perceive each other as adversaries (and the source of the “inner chaos”) while simultaneously foreshadowing that they are, intuitively, one and the same. I honestly think you’re being overly literal about a show that clearly functions within the dream logic of a mind divided against itself.

Well I'm following logic and a storyline because it is presented as a linear narrative with interludes, projections, outfit changes and narration so one would assume one event follows the last. However reading over these posts again I think I understand(at least the beginning part) it just becomes a bit confusing that the projections look the same as the characters presented later in the show who are separate, also @Bronco said it is supposed to be the Mistress(as in the one in the rest of the show) but you said it wasn't and that it was just a projection of Gaga's inner thoughts/how she sees her dual identity in the beginning How can it be the Mistress if she is the one who watches over the 2 halves of Gaga(like in the Disease video and during the The Beast performance)