Billie Eilish Responded To Criticism For Recent Vegan Statement: I Don't Give A Fxck!

[PartySick 171,347]

12 hours ago, Bebe said:

Sorry where did I say they were equivalent? 
We are, however, talking about two systems of violence that are normalised by the state and majority.

You can think I’ve lost the plot but if you removed the top part about replacing “settler” with non-vegan you wouldn’t know.
Once again you have an issue with tone but can’t engage with the actual subject matter.

“So, since reality is on your (and Billie's) side, you have to wonder "why can't I convince anyone?". The flaw isn't cognitive dissonance or "meat eaters are just bad people". You're just not doing a great job of selling your stance.”

I don’t care about what you think about my messaging and how effective it is, earlier you noted that your  ethics allow for mass suffering for small personal benefit. I don’t think you can be convinced.

You think you can convince 99% people to change their mind on a subject in a GGD thread? You think I can compete with a lifetime of social conditioning and the normalisation of mass violence? 

I'm sorry but this pretend quote did make me giggle: ""These people claim to be rational but when I throw statistics in their faces, show them pictures of dead animals, and call them evil for disagreeing with me they suddenly aren't wanting to hear what I have to say?!""

You seemingly admit that there is overwhelming evidence that animal agriculture is bad, in the form of statistics and actual images showing conditions of animals in animal farming - but then acknowledge your cognitive dissonance by implying that because these images and statistics make you feel uncomfortable you don't want to engage with the topic. You're upset at people presenting evidence that makes you uncomfortable. That's not my problem, you're going to have to sit with that uncomfortable feeling and unpack it. I can't do that for you and I'm not going to avoid presenting evidence or discussing morality/ethics when the topic is around a morality and ethics. I'm not going to play this game where I self-censor and avoid presenting evidence so that the argument is framed in a way that makes you comfortable. You should feel uncomfortable - the one thing I can't control is how you respond to that feeling. That's up to you.

I mean come on, nobody has been able to justify why they shouldn’t replace meat that requires suffering and slaughter with cheaper plant based alternatives that don’t, nobody has been able to justify the environmental impacts of animal agriculture (in fact people just ignore and make up that reducing animal farming would be worse for the environment anyway 💀).

I can say the same thing and state "If you are wondering why I can have multiple people trying to convince me that they can’t go vegan, yet I haven’t been convinced - it’s because the arguments presented have been flawed and unconvincing".

Surely you remember me from years ago? Used to argue against Israeli occupation and violence at a time where most users were pro-Zionist. Not afraid of holding an opinion that is unpopular, not worried about making friends online, I’m concerned with remaining morally consistent.

I don’t care that you have your defences up over being called out for engaging voluntarily in a system of exploitation and violence and you don’t actually care about my messaging being effective 🤣 Can we please just be honest here? Seeing everyone pearl clutching and patting themselves over the back for being so civilised in their defence of mass suffering and slaughter is a little bit funny - it's very obvious that nobody actually wants the opposing view to be more effective so lets stop pretending that's what this is about.

I don’t know why you are bothered about me commenting my thoughts on a thread! I enjoy discussing the topic, you are free to join or not! 🙂

I'm not upset or uncomfortable, sis. Are you secretly Billie? 'Cause you sure do like telling people how they feel  

My point has been and still remains that you can't dictate others' feelings and that extends to arguments about morality and ethics. That's why Billie's original statement was arrogant and flawed and why your arguments fall on deaf ears here.

"Eating meat is immoral"

Immoral to who? You? Cool, so eat a salad  the specific act of eating meat is natural in my mind. Perfectly ethical. We behave just like every other omnivorous creature on the planet AND we can simultaneously care about animal welfare.

By all means, continue to lecture us about how evil the meat industry is. WE KNOOOW. You're arguing with me as if I or anyone else denies the facts around the industry as a whole. I haven't and I don't. I've even said you're right? 

I live half an hour away from a massive, sprawling farming community with free range cattle, chickens, etc. Their food's more expensive of course, but ethically sourced. The animals eat natural, healthy diets and the products the farmers harvest from them are so much better quality than any factory farm sh*t you can buy in a grocery store 'cause they're incentivized to keep their animals healthy and happy.

Not to mention my country bumpkin ass family and a million other people like them that goes on routine hunting and fishing trips every year and brings back enough meat to pack their freezers for months. Ethically sourced, environmentally conscious, and damn it's tasty (except for the fish 'cause I don't like seafood ).

I even have a friend that has a dozen chickens in her backyard and she gives us all free eggs and lets us hold the friendly ones  

There's a larger conversation that you're trying to have about the industry and corporate evil and the large scale environmental impact and I have yet to even debate that 'cause I agree on those points we all agree with that, sis  there's no reason the meat industry can't be forced to treat animals more kindly and meat can't be sourced more ethically other than pure greed and enormous demand which is yet another point I've agreed on.

People should eat LESS meat 'cause it isn't as sustainable of a product as plant based foods. That's just facts.

But to call them immoral, ethically compromised, or evil for eating meat EVER? To tell them they don't care about animal welfare at all? That's just an asinine take  even if they're buying the factory farmed crap in their local Target, Aldi, or Walmart, that's just the economic reality some people live in and they're not bad people for it. They're just trying to eat dinner.

 

I don't find value in every nook and cranny of this complex issue being a trench for warfare when we agree on nearly everything except where the line is drawn  

And no, I don't remember every argument that's been presented on this site and who's said what through the years but you're smart enough to know bringing up the genocide in Gaza in a thread where you're steering the conversation towards the meat industry was not a good play regardless of the point you were trying to make 

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,516]

1 minute ago, PartySick said:

I'm not upset or uncomfortable, sis. Are you secretly Billie? 'Cause you sure do like telling people how they feel  

My point has been and still remains that you can't dictate others' feelings and that extends to arguments about morality and ethics. That's why Billie's original statement was arrogant and flawed and why your arguments fall on deaf ears here.

"Eating meat is immoral"

Immoral to who? You? Cool, so eat a salad  the specific act of eating meat is natural in my mind. Perfectly ethical. We behave just like every other omnivorous creature on the planet AND we can simultaneously care about animal welfare.

By all means, continue to lecture us about how evil the meat industry is. WE KNOOOW. You're arguing with me as if I or anyone else denies the facts around the industry as a whole. I haven't and I don't. I've even said you're right? 

I live half an hour away from a massive, sprawling farming community with free range cattle, chickens, etc. Their food's more expensive of course, but ethically sourced. The animals eat natural, healthy diets and the products the farmers harvest from them are so much better quality than any factory farm sh*t you can buy in a grocery store 'cause they're incentivized to keep their animals healthy and happy.

Not to mention my country bumpkin ass family and a million other people like them that goes on routine hunting and fishing trips every year and brings back enough meat to pack their freezers for months. Ethically sourced, environmentally conscious, and damn it's tasty (except for the fish 'cause I don't like seafood ).

I even have a friend that has a dozen chickens in her backyard and she gives us all free eggs and lets us hold the friendly ones  

There's a larger conversation that you're trying to have about the industry and corporate evil and the large scale environmental impact and I have yet to even debate that 'cause I agree on those points we all agree with that, sis  there's no reason the meat industry can't be forced to treat animals more kindly and meat can't be sourced more ethically other than pure greed and enormous demand which is yet another point I've agreed on.

People should eat LESS meat 'cause it isn't as sustainable of a product as plant based foods. That's just facts.

But to call them immoral, ethically compromised, or evil for eating meat EVER? To tell them they don't care about animal welfare at all? That's just an asinine take  even if they're buying the factory farmed crap in their local Target, Aldi, or Walmart, that's just the economic reality some people live in and they're not bad people for it. They're just trying to eat dinner.

 

I don't find value in every nook and cranny of this complex issue being a trench for warfare when we agree on nearly everything except where the line is drawn  

And no, I don't remember every argument that's been presented on this site and who's said what through the years but you're smart enough to know bringing up the genocide in Gaza in a thread where you're steering the conversation towards the meat industry was not a good play regardless of the point you were trying to make 

Don’t make me tap the (evergreen) sign 

 

[PartySick 171,347]

Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Don’t make me tap the (evergreen) sign 

 

I'm getting the sign tattooed on my forehead at this point

[Bronco 21,521]

44 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I ignored, mostly, the little snipes throughout the thread. Happy to play the Diva too though! 
 

It’s really simple, if you’re not interested in contributing to the conversation, then leave. Nobody is forcing you to stay.

If you want to stay, that’s fine too but don’t try to be condescending to those having a conversation here when it’s clear you’re still hanging around wanting to know how the conversation goes!

 

You seem to think on a public forum where you aren't a moderator that you can dictate what threads I read and what I post.

I'm afraid not.

But, you seem smart and to enjoy reading so here's a suggestion. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK556001/ 

[Bebe 17,282]

3 hours ago, PartySick said:

I'm not upset or uncomfortable, sis. Are you secretly Billie? 'Cause you sure do like telling people how they feel  

My point has been and still remains that you can't dictate others' feelings and that extends to arguments about morality and ethics. That's why Billie's original statement was arrogant and flawed and why your arguments fall on deaf ears here.

"Eating meat is immoral"

Immoral to who? You? Cool, so eat a salad  the specific act of eating meat is natural in my mind. Perfectly ethical. We behave just like every other omnivorous creature on the planet AND we can simultaneously care about animal welfare.

By all means, continue to lecture us about how evil the meat industry is. WE KNOOOW. You're arguing with me as if I or anyone else denies the facts around the industry as a whole. I haven't and I don't. I've even said you're right? 

I live half an hour away from a massive, sprawling farming community with free range cattle, chickens, etc. Their food's more expensive of course, but ethically sourced. The animals eat natural, healthy diets and the products the farmers harvest from them are so much better quality than any factory farm sh*t you can buy in a grocery store 'cause they're incentivized to keep their animals healthy and happy.

Not to mention my country bumpkin ass family and a million other people like them that goes on routine hunting and fishing trips every year and brings back enough meat to pack their freezers for months. Ethically sourced, environmentally conscious, and damn it's tasty (except for the fish 'cause I don't like seafood ).

I even have a friend that has a dozen chickens in her backyard and she gives us all free eggs and lets us hold the friendly ones  

There's a larger conversation that you're trying to have about the industry and corporate evil and the large scale environmental impact and I have yet to even debate that 'cause I agree on those points we all agree with that, sis  there's no reason the meat industry can't be forced to treat animals more kindly and meat can't be sourced more ethically other than pure greed and enormous demand which is yet another point I've agreed on.

People should eat LESS meat 'cause it isn't as sustainable of a product as plant based foods. That's just facts.

But to call them immoral, ethically compromised, or evil for eating meat EVER? To tell them they don't care about animal welfare at all? That's just an asinine take  even if they're buying the factory farmed crap in their local Target, Aldi, or Walmart, that's just the economic reality some people live in and they're not bad people for it. They're just trying to eat dinner.

 

I don't find value in every nook and cranny of this complex issue being a trench for warfare when we agree on nearly everything except where the line is drawn  

And no, I don't remember every argument that's been presented on this site and who's said what through the years but you're smart enough to know bringing up the genocide in Gaza in a thread where you're steering the conversation towards the meat industry was not a good play regardless of the point you were trying to make 

I’m not saying every person who eats meat is evil, lacks empathy, or is incapable of caring about animal welfare. I’m saying the act itself can still be morally wrong when it causes unnecessary suffering, even if the person participating in it is otherwise kind, decent, or economically constrained.

You have grown up under a government that has taught you eating meat and cheese is fine by including meat and dairy in your school lunches and in the food pyramids you were taught, your family eats meat, your friends and your community eat meat. YOU have eaten meat for as long as you could. I don’t blame you for being defensive, but we are coming across as defensive. 

“Immoral to who?” is not really a rebuttal unless we’re accepting that all ethics are purely personal preference. Most moral arguments work by asking whether a principle is consistent. If we agree that unnecessary suffering matters, that animals can suffer, and that most people in wealthy societies can survive without eating them, then “I find it natural in my mind” doesn’t answer the ethical issue. Many things are natural. That does not automatically make them moral.

There are better and worse forms of animal agriculture, of course. Free-range farming, hunting, fishing, and backyard eggs are materially different from factory farming. But “better than factory farming” does not automatically mean “morally good.” We are still not justified in using and killing animals when we do not need to.

I also agree that poverty and access matter. I’m not interested in turning someone struggling to afford dinner into the villain of the issue. But that exception does not erase the broader moral argument, especially when most meat consumption is driven by preference, habit, convenience, and demand rather than necessity.

We do not agree on "nearly everything". We disagree on a very important point: You believe exploitation, suffering, violence and slaughter is acceptable.

In the "ethical farms" you describe there are still animals that experience separation from mothers, confinement, transport stress, fear, mutilations, forced breeding, reproductive exploitation, and social disruption. Then the ultimate act of violence is inflicted on them, they are killed and permanently robbed of every future experience that they could have had.

I’m not going to coddle you here. The fact remains:

Unnecessary suffering and violence = morally bad.

If you choose to support unnecessary captivity, exploitation and slaughter for some minor pleasure, when you can make a different choice that does not necessitate captivity and slaughter, you are doing something morally bad.

In the same way I would not accept anybody saying they “love” any group of humans they are actively enacting violence against, I’m not going to accept anybody saying they “love” non-human animals they are actively enacting violence against them. 

Instead of defending exploitation, captivity and slaughter start ordering oat milk in your coffee and experiment with some tofu recipes. It's far easier to justify.

Edited May 9 by Bebe

[Bebe 17,282]

3 minutes ago, Bronco said:

You seem to think on a public forum where you aren't a moderator that you can dictate what threads I read and what I post.

I'm afraid not.

 

Don’t want to dictate that at all love, would love to see you stick around give a go at sharing and defending your position on the subject!

Or are you happy to continue to contribute nothing of value?

[elegidadedios 4,535]

1 hour ago, Bebe said:

Thank you to all my fans who continue to stalk this thread hours after the last post, excitedly waiting for the latest response so they can scour every comma, full stop, and exclamation mark, greedily gobbling up the endorphins secreted by their dopamine-fried brains whenever someone responds to me and tries to argue from a position they’re too cowardly to argue for themselves.

If it wasn’t for you posting drivel for pages while I was asleep in a different time zone, or posting gifs to bump the topic hours after anyone had said anything, this thread would have died within a few hours.

God bless your little socks x 

Thanks to you because you just demonstrated your whole aim was to show how good of a person you are 🫪 virtue signaling at its best sister!

[elegidadedios 4,535]

1 hour ago, Bebe said:

Don’t want to dictate that at all love, would love to see you stick around give a go at sharing and defending your position on the subject!

Or are you happy to continue to contribute nothing of value?

Are you happy to be that insufferable and such a pain on the ass? Because I never see you posting on Gaga related threads or any kind of thread, actually. Seems like you are projecting, to be honest

Edited May 9 by elegidadedios

[elegidadedios 4,535]

1 hour ago, Bronco said:

Damn.

Is that you Madonna?

The ego. Impressive.

They're like the lil sis to the #facts lady 

[Economy 52,290]

On 5/8/2026 at 2:42 AM, RaveMonster said:

Anyone with access to the internet can see her comments and many people in lower socioeconomic groups have access to the internet.

Assuming everyone can just convert to veganism is a very privileged position and that’s just a fact. Many people literally depend on making food from animal products and some dumb rich white girl that never struggled a day in her life thinks she can tell them they don’t care about animals.
 

It’s not made up variables, it’s being aware of other people’s situations other than the people you see everyday. It’s being aware of your surroundings instead of being a dumbass who has no idea how the world works besides what their algorithm shows them everyday.

Ill add another one to mix people often dont think of. Its not just potential economics... its also health

 

I got IBS digestive issues and a lot of the cheaper meat alternatives that are higher in protein like chick peas, beans and lentils absolutely kill me. So if I tried to go vegan id have an even more limited diet than most people who go this route tbh as there are so many vegetables i simply cant have

 

Even if I was rich, trying to go vegan would be a challange and a half to say the least

[Bebe 17,282]

Not going to spend any more time on the lurkers, if you want to argue - state your position and defend it. 

[elegidadedios 4,535]

"lurkers" and they're the one fitting that definition the most 

[SleepingSun 977]

Can we invent a new type of GGD award for Bebe? Maybe the "most fights started in a single thread" award?