Ladle Ghoulash 42,831 Posted Monday at 05:34 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 05:34 PM 1 minute ago, Bronco said: Imagine trying to combat a narrative a song is over-hated by pre-emptively being passive aggressive and telling people to **** off Also the concept of doing this while also picking the worse song We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterJoannster 3,983 Posted Monday at 05:35 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:35 PM This thread is making me enjoy SOAW more than I did. Im gonna be that weirdo who loves that song more than the other DWP2 songs. None of the songs are the best thing she’s ever done anyway, but I can see the other two will be the favorites! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterJoannster 3,983 Posted Monday at 05:36 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:36 PM (edited) I thought maybe it would be a refreshing approach 🤷🏻♀️ 9 minutes ago, Bronco said: Imagine trying to combat a narrative a song is over-hated by pre-emptively being passive aggressive and telling people to **** off Edited Monday at 05:42 PM by RochesterJoannster 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 79,646 Posted Monday at 05:39 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:39 PM Love both, but I give the slight edge to SOAW. It could definitely be recency bias though cause when TDD first came out, I was obsessed with it too But the correct answer is Glamorous Life 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯 𝔱𝔬𝔯𝔢 𝔞𝔴𝔞𝔶 𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔪𝔞𝔰𝔨 𝔞𝔫𝔡...𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔣𝔞𝔠𝔢 𝔴𝔞𝔰 𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 30,094 Posted Monday at 05:55 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:55 PM Don't care for either but since SOAW is less "try hard to have an unorganic tiktok viral moment" I gotta vote for her Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo 8,034 Posted Monday at 05:58 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:58 PM when TDD was released I really liked it but now I think it's inferior Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 26,363 Posted Monday at 06:10 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:10 PM Neither of them are her strongest writing but Shape Of A Woman feels less gimmicky and more cohesive in terms of story. The Dead Dance contradicts itself every other line. I also vastly prefer the hook(s) of SOAW. In terms of production they're both solid (nothing groundbreaking), but again I'd give it to SAOW for being more cohesive and a little more geared to my taste. It's slightly more modern with its synths and I adore the bass. I have to say that I didn't love either of them on first impression but SOAW grew on me quite quickly, especially when I heard the full track for the first time Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 1,721 Posted Monday at 06:11 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:11 PM 40 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: The delivery on “feedin’ on the TORTURE, rollahcoaster HELL” makes me laugh every time lmao. Some of her worst verses of all time, imo. No same, that's why I'm like what the hell, sure! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 42,831 Posted Monday at 06:27 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 06:27 PM 13 minutes ago, Head Empty said: Neither of them are her strongest writing but Shape Of A Woman feels less gimmicky and more cohesive in terms of story. The Dead Dance contradicts itself every other line. I also vastly prefer the hook(s) of SOAW. In terms of production they're both solid (nothing groundbreaking), but again I'd give it to SAOW for being more cohesive and a little more geared to my taste. It's slightly more modern with its synths and I adore the bass. I have to say that I didn't love either of them on first impression but SOAW grew on me quite quickly, especially when I heard the full track for the first time Idk, I don’t really see TDD being contradictory. I see the use of “Dancing until I’m dead” vs. “When you killed me inside” as being two different uses of the same concept: “Your betrayal made me feel miserable and dead inside, but through going to that dark place, I found the resolve and resilience to dance until I’m (literally) dead.” Emotionally, she’s framing herself like a zombie come back from the grave after being emotionally “killed,” but in reality, that emotional “death” inspired her to find joy in life. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombieboyyy 171 Posted Monday at 06:47 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:47 PM I don't know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 26,363 Posted Monday at 06:53 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:53 PM 4 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Idk, I don’t really see TDD being contradictory. I see the use of “Dancing until I’m dead” vs. “When you killed me inside” as being two different uses of the same concept: “Your betrayal made me feel miserable and dead inside, but through going to that dark place, I found the resolve and resilience to dance until I’m (literally) dead.” Emotionally, she’s framing herself like a zombie come back from the grave after being emotionally “killed,” but in reality, that emotional “death” inspired her to find joy in life. You didn't see it yet you knew exactly what part I was talking about? It's very clunky phrasing to me. The metaphors might be cohesive in the sense that they're centered around life and death, but she mixes the meaning of those terms very haphazardly. And it definitely doesn't make sense at face value. Nitpicky petty analysis incoming: When you killed me inside (she died) That's when I came alive (so she didn't really die?) The music's gonna bring me back from death (so she IS dead and is coming back to life soon?) I'm dancing until I'm dead (no wait she's alive but she's GONNA die?) You can definitely interpret those lines in different ways to create a story (emotional death vs. physical death vs. spiritual death etc.) but on paper it's a confusing mix of past/present/future tense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 26,363 Posted Monday at 07:02 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:02 PM 1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: The delivery on “feedin’ on the TORTURE, rollahcoaster HELL” makes me laugh every time lmao. Some of her worst verses of all time, imo. 45 minutes ago, ****oDanceFight said: No same, that's why I'm like what the hell, sure! To me that's on the exact same level as "You stole my thoughts before I dreamed them And you killed my queen with just one pawn" What do you mean 'dreaming your thoughts' and why are we suddenly playing chess? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 42,831 Posted Monday at 07:02 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 07:02 PM Just now, Head Empty said: You didn't see it yet you knew exactly what part I was talking about? It's very clunky phrasing to me. The metaphors might be cohesive in the sense that they're centered around life and death, but she mixes the meaning of those terms very haphazardly. And it definitely doesn't make sense at face value. Nitpicky petty analysis incoming: When you killed me inside (she died) That's when I came alive (so she didn't really die?) The music's gonna bring me back from death (so she IS dead and is coming back to life soon?) I'm dancing until I'm dead (no wait she's alive but she's GONNA die?) You can definitely interpret those lines in different ways to create a story (emotional death vs. physical death vs. spiritual death etc.) but on paper it's a confusing mix of past/present/future tense. The most I could really concede here is the “gonna” is *slightly* unclear, but if you interpret it as a process: death -> revived -> coming back to your senses and fully coming back on board, then I think it still holds. But if we’re talking about clunkers…sis, don’t make me break out the lyrics to SOAW because Mawmaw, what is going ON there? Mixed metaphors and humdingers *galore*. The first verse alone, going from fever dreams/visions, to torture, to roller coasters…all kind of circling around the idea of being…I guess horny about a woman you used to ****? Her imagining a male lover pining for her? Her fetishizing her persona from a place of alienation? But it’s also…a female empowerment anthem, maybe? It’s a big ol’ stew of ideas without one concept that I think fully centers it, imo. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 42,831 Posted Monday at 07:10 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 07:10 PM (edited) 10 minutes ago, Head Empty said: To me that's on the exact same level as "You stole my thoughts before I dreamed them And you killed my queen with just one pawn" What do you mean 'dreaming your thoughts' and why are we suddenly playing chess? Again, I still think that feels internally more internally consistent than a lot of SOAW’s verse lyrics. I get what you mean about “dreaming thoughts,” but that line coupled with the chess lyric to me just functions as, “you know me so well you can win before I even have a chance to fight back (before the thoughts are fully realized, running the chessboard before I can make any big moves).” The song has always read as puppet fighting back against puppet master to me, so maybe that’s why the phrasing and logic of the lyrics work for me (and the connection between the “dreaming” and the chess match in TAOPC don’t hurt in terms of giving it context, either). I don’t think it’s a perfect lyric, but I don’t think it’s nonsense either. Also: musically, imo, it absolutely works better than the rhythmic and melodic shoehorning on that rollercoaster lyric into that groove on SOAW. I feel like @****oDanceFighthit the nail on the head with “verbal stimming” because the verses on SOAW feel like they’re still in the concept demo stage to me: just riffing over and instrumental and trying to see what sticks. With a couple more passes at it, I think she could’ve ironed it out, but what we got feels unfinished to me. Edited Monday at 07:13 PM by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVeryGagaHolyDick 30,520 Posted Monday at 07:46 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:46 PM The Dead Dance by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Shape Of A Woman certainly is a choice… 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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