Jill 31,391 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 2 minutes ago, timdrake said: In Shakira's case, that's not her in the video, it's an AI generated approximation of her. The jewelry she's wearing isn't real. The location she's at isn't real. It's just hollow and fake and uninteresting. But it reflects a human vision. That doesn't change. It's not like you ask the AI to generate "cute videos". It has a process to it. It can be thoughtful or not, but the same thing goes for any work like this, AI or not. And again, this same exact thing can be said about the work of VFX artists. Edited April 22 by Jill Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,391 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 4 minutes ago, tylerjs said: True but there are many times when tech has become widespread and done us poorly, and now we’re stuck because we didn’t stop it before it was too ingrained. I also understand the benefits and potential of machine learning, which I find totally opposite of anything intelligence-imitation type AI would be working toward Technology itself isn't the problem. Technology is neutral. The problem are the interests that lay behind it and its implementation and distribution ie capitalist relations of production. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 125,052 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 AI is here to stay just like LM.com So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdrake 1,683 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, Jill said: But it reflects a human vision. That doesn't change. It's not like you ask the AI to generate "cute videos". It has a process to it. And again, this same exact thing can be said about the work of VFX artists. I disagree, and that seems like that's just where we're going to reside on this. VXF artists typically have asset libraries, and even still, they more manually create the digital assets. (Side note, big CGI spectacles aren't my go to type of movies anyway. I prefer physical props & sets to digital ones. Like, the world of Batman (1989) is so much more interesting to me than any Marvel movie of the last 20 years.) Also, AI slop usually looks like crap anyway. That video Shakira posted looks muddy, blurry (and not just in the pixel resolution sense), and it's boring. I've said this before, but movies/videos aren't just about "images". 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 5,295 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 43 minutes ago, Jill said: People will complain but we have to get used to it. Technology doesn't go back. It never does, it never did. We have cars, and everyone owns a car, but alot of people go out of their way to walk for health and mood benefits. So yes, AI will always exist, but not everyone will use it and get rid of what we knew before AI. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevthepaparazzo 2,155 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 45 minutes ago, Jill said: Technology doesn't go back. It never does, it never did. Anything goes! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemoMyName 1,948 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 AI is not sustainable in the long term. if there are still resources to make it work it's because you have an idiot for a president in US who is figthing an imaginary battle with China for the AI race. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagacabana 5,378 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 36 minutes ago, Jill said: Technology itself isn't the problem. Technology is neutral. The problem are the interests that lay behind it and its implementation and distribution ie capitalist relations of production. I get where you're coming from but technology is absolutely 100% not neutral. To make anything is to produce/consume money, and all money is dirty because money itself is dirty, the system's dynamic is dirty, and all it wants is more money. Of course technology can be used for good, but that's not the world we're living in I don't believe in the glorification of murder, I do believe in the empowerment of women 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,391 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 24 minutes ago, gagacabana said: I get where you're coming from but technology is absolutely 100% not neutral. To make anything is to produce/consume money, and all money is dirty because money itself is dirty, the system's dynamic is dirty, and all it wants is more money. Of course technology can be used for good, but that's not the world we're living in What are you going to do then? Live in a hut? That's not how it works. Technology must be made to serve the people. But it has the same principles whether it does or doesn't. The difference is the way it's used. It's not that I'm advocating for revolution as the only solution, all I'm saying is this: AI is not the problem, don't fight AI because it's a losing battle. The problem is the structure which makes it possible for people to be afraid of it instead of embracing it. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,391 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 57 minutes ago, zevthepaparazzo said: You must be joking if you believe this has the same production capabilities as AI. The baby cage, in particular, served a contextual interest (among other things, preventing the spread of tuberculosis) and was not a technology that could be integrated into production in the same way as AI or, for instance, the assembly line. This truly is comparing apples to oranges. And when I say that "technology doesn't go back", I don't mean it can't be changed for logical reasons or based on empirical data. Rather I mean that when a shift in production occurs due to the introduction of a technology that streamlines it, reverting is impossible because it would be inconvenient from every possible angle: it would make things harder, not easier, for both the species and for production. This is the case of AI, it was the case for other machine-like inventions too. AI is social as is production itself. It's not individual. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,391 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, faysalaaa said: We have cars, and everyone owns a car, but alot of people go out of their way to walk for health and mood benefits. So yes, AI will always exist, but not everyone will use it and get rid of what we knew before AI. Nobody is saying anything about getting rid of "what we knew before AI". Human evolution is constructed like steps, one from the other. It's not a "tabula rasa" every few years. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevthepaparazzo 2,155 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, Jill said: You must be joking yeah I was Anything goes! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 31,391 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, zevthepaparazzo said: yeah I was I don't like when other people do the things I do to them. Reported. Former First Lady of the United States. Now card-carrying member of the Communist Party of China (CPC). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 1,840 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, zevthepaparazzo said: Me when my third or fourth cousin traps me so he can marry my teenage sister so he can get his hands and unibrow on my family fortune. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagacabana 5,378 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 17 minutes ago, Jill said: What are you going to do then? Live in a hut? That's not how it works. Technology must be made to serve the people. But it has the same principles whether it does or doesn't. The difference is the way it's used. It's not that I'm advocating for revolution as the only solution, all I'm saying is this: AI is not the problem, don't fight AI because it's a losing battle. The problem is the structure which makes it possible for people to be afraid of it instead of embracing it. Living in a hut is much better than the current scenario of things so yeah, and if you can't conceive a life without high-tech, skill issue I don't believe in the glorification of murder, I do believe in the empowerment of women Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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