Michael Jackson biopic panned by critics, 27 on Rotten Tomatoes 🍅

[Not The Real Gaga 7,582]

41 minutes ago, Chromatigaga29 said:

I was at the Hollywood premiere last night and it honestly exceeded my expectations. At the end of the movie they confirm that there is a second part coming. The movie only goes to 1988 and all of the allegations begin in the early 90’s. I’m sure it will be tackled. But I honestly think the media wanted more sensational headlines out of it rather than how they portray Michael as an actual person. I think they did an incredible job and I would make your own decision after seeing it for yourself.

 

No. Since the estate is involved in the movie production, they are not allowed to include any of the allegations due to a previous deal.

[PartySick 172,497]

Weee I bought tickets to a screening on Thursday

[RAMROD 117,031]

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

Time for arts and crafts I guess. I have some fedoras I can wreak havoc on

Also, I'll keep my eyes out on their webstores just in case 

[PartySick 172,497]

18 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

Also, I'll keep my eyes out on their webstores just in case 

A TikTok screenshot that I took from Reddit

The top left (and right, I guess) are iconic for the  meme but I'd actually love that glove one

But a hat is cool too

[Chromatigaga29 119]

3 hours ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

 

No. Since the estate is involved in the movie production, they are not allowed to include any of the allegations due to a previous deal.

Yes, that is true. There are stipulations regarding the Chandler case that prohibit certain information being included in a biopic, however I find it VERY unlikely that it will be completely glazed over. I believe a lot of the rewriting of the film is due to the fact that they have to find a way to tackle it while still adhering to the legalities involved. It may not be explicit in the way that people think that it should be, but only time will tell how they end up doing it.

[PartySick 172,497]

19 minutes ago, Chromatigaga29 said:

Yes, that is true. There are stipulations regarding the Chandler case that prohibit certain information being included in a biopic, however I find it VERY unlikely that it will be completely glazed over. I believe a lot of the rewriting of the film is due to the fact that they have to find a way to tackle it while still adhering to the legalities involved. It may not be explicit in the way that people think that it should be, but only time will tell how they end up doing it.

I went on a little deep dive specifically about the film, the 1993 case, and the 1994 settlement related to it and wow  

I wasn't even aware the original plan was to delve heavily into the allegations and they had to scrap those plans and about $15 million worth of work that was already done after the estate reviewed the '94 settlement 'cause it would have given Evan Chandler's estate or Jordan Chandler himself grounds to file a huge lawsuit for breaching the confidentiality agreement.

I get why the estate wouldn't wanna risk it.

Which begs the question...what the hell are they gonna do?  how can they talk about the second half of his career without mentioning THE defining moment of his later years?

The estate should have never gotten involved, then the story could have been told without a legal problem.

However, this all also makes me feel terrible for Jordan Chandler all over again.

Poor guy's dad was money hungry and abusive, drugged him when he was a kid, used him to extort MJ, leeched off of him until 2005, even tried to sue him to take the money MJ ensured would only be available to Jordan, deadass almost killed him after MJ was acquitted in 05 by hitting him with a dumbbell, spraying him with mace, and choking him, all just to kill himself after MJ died.

And Jordie's still being harassed by Robson and Safechuck's lawyers to make another mockumentary about made up allegations. Bro just wants peace.

I'm torn. I want the allegations covered but I also know that would upend Jordan's life all over again and the dude's been through enough

[onionring 934]

You know what I'll watch the **** out of? An Antoine Fuqua docuseries about the making of this film, and how difficult it was working with both the family and the estate. 

He's an amazing filmmaker and I just know he wanted to do right by MJ, but can you imagine juggling between the notoriously - deeply complicated and troubled Jackson family, a money hungry estate and the only studio in town that gave you grace to finance the film, like I know there were alot of sleepless nights 

[IllusionLover 7,562]

3 hours ago, PartySick said:

A TikTok screenshot that I took from Reddit

The top left (and right, I guess) are iconic for the  meme but I'd actually love that glove one

But a hat is cool too

This reminds me that some people in my country are selling 3D printed DWP2 bag popcorn buckets because the theaters didn't bring them here to SA

[27monster27 15,856]

5 hours ago, Chromatigaga29 said:

I was at the Hollywood premiere last night and it honestly exceeded my expectations. At the end of the movie they confirm that there is a second part coming. The movie only goes to 1988 and all of the allegations begin in the early 90’s. I’m sure it will be tackled. But I honestly think the media wanted more sensational headlines out of it rather than how they portray Michael as an actual person. I think they did an incredible job and I would make your own decision after seeing it for yourself.

I was not aware of this! I do take some issues with Michael, but lets make sure we spread correct information regardless of who it's about.

[Ilia Malinin 2,879]

the jackson estate rn:

 

[gagacabana 7,399]

Just watched it and yeah guys this movie is cooked 

[Lord Mayhem 3,427]

Based on what reviews ive heard...deserved...

[PartySick 172,497]

I think a good biopic idea for MJ would be to just focus on the creation of HIStory. Literally, starting with the moment the 1993 allegations go public and running through the HIStory Tour would give you, imo, the best bits about him and ample opportunities to flashback to his childhood and early adulthood.

Just sleepily spitballing here 

Spoiler

 - August 1993: The Dangerous Tour, the allegations go public, Michael hits the stage after crying ("Jam")

- August-November 1993: Insomnia, addiction, loneliness, the cancellation of The Dangerous Tour, rehab, special focus on his relationships with Brad Buxor and Elizabeth Taylor ("Stranger in Moscow")

 - December 1993: The raid at Neverland, Tom Sneddon, the strip search ("D.S.")

 - (Flashback) 1965: MJ at 7 years old performing in strip clubs and being hit by his dad and bullied by his brothers ("Stormy Monday" (T-Bone Walker / Bobby "Blue" Bland))

 - January 1994: Judge refuses a stay on civil suit, settling the civil suit, grand juries refuse to indict due to a lack of evidence

 - February-September 1994: Media frenzy, marriage to Lisa Marie, that horrid kiss at the VMAs, starting work on HIStory ("Money")

 - (Flashback) 1976-1977: The Jacksons Variety Show, Janet joins the brothers on stage, Janet witnesses Joseph's cruelty towards the boys, especially Michael ("I'll Be There")

 - October 1994-May 1995: Confiding in Janet, pain finally turns to anger and righteous fury, HIStory's lead single is dropped ("Scream")

 - Mid-1995: HIStory promotional moves, MJ's "god complex" juxtaposed with a gritty vulnerability and social consciousness ("They Don't Care About Us")

 - (Flashback) 1980: Michael only wins one Grammy for Off the Wall, he feels the industry saw his as "less than" his white contemporaries, Rolling Stone refuses to write a cover story about Off the Wall because "putting a black person on the cover doesn't sell". Michael resolves to create an album so big he can't be ignored ("Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough") 

 - December 1995: The "One Night Only" health failure, divorce, and Lisa Marie admitting she can't save him from his addictions and enablers ("Morphine")

 - February 1996: Stage invasion by Jarvis Cocker (a fantastic representation of Michael pouring his heart out while the industry LITERALLY invades his sanctuary to mock him) ("Earth Song")

 - (Flashback) March 1983-February 1984: Michael's performance of Billie Jean at the Motown 25 special and his record breaking achievement at the 1984 Grammys, proving himself after years of doubt as Thriller becomes the biggest album ever ("Billie Jean")

 -  September 1996: Michael dons the physical and metaphorical golden armor. He's divorced, emaciated, reliant on doctors just to perform, consistently torn apart in American media, tired, isolated, and pissed off. A crowd of 80,000 people cheer as "Scream" starts the show.

The credits song HAS to be "Childhood"

My soundtrack:

01. Jam
02. Stranger in Moscow
03. D.S.
04. Stormy Monday
05. Money
06. I'll Be There
07. Scream
08. They Don't Care About Us
09. Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
10. Morphine
11. Earth Song
12. Billie Jean
13. Childhood

Definitely rough but I'd find this far more interesting than yet another retelling of the J5-Thriller years. Wouldn't you agree, @Celloo Deng?

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 31,946]

8 hours ago, Future Lovers said:

Considering this shares a lot of the same creative team as that god awful Queen movie I’m really not sure why anyone could ever shocked that this movie is apparently pretty bad.

It seems that it sands MJ down into the most bland, uninspiring person possible and strips him of all of his uniqueness and mystique in favor of trying to present him as a completely sqeuaky clean sanitized being that was incapable of any sort of fallibility. They didn’t make a movie about a person, they made a movie about an idea. 

I think the Queen movie won many Oscars?

[Future Lovers 7,541]

1 hour ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

I think the Queen movie won many Oscars?

It won three technical awards and Best Actor.

Best Actor is not as contested but it’s three technical wins (film editing? sound editing, and sound mixing? are quite controversial and were even then and many consider them some of the biggest mistakes the Academy ever made (including some Academy voters).

At the time the film was popular because of Queen mania, but in the years since there has been a reassessment from many who first praised it as they have realized how much of it is complete fabrication made to make the other members of Queen look good.

It completely lies about the other members of the band being on the good and righteous path while Freddie inconvenienced them. It glosses over his sexuality almost entirely. It creates total fabrications about band dynamics and history all so that the other band members could look good.  

The editing is notoriously atrocious (and its Oscar win in this category is mostly credited to the editors having to Frankenstein together two completely different movies from two completely different filmmakers). The writing is notoriously clunky. The performances are mostly mediocre. It gets basic facts intentionally incorrect.

It received extremely poor critical reviews from the jump as anyone who knows even the basics of filmmaking can see it’s a pile of flaming garbage, but over the years even its audience scores have begun to trend downward (it’s fallen out of the 8s range into the 7s on iMDB and decreases a little every year, it has fallen out of the 90s on Rotten Tomatoes’ audience score, and it’s currently on a 3.5 on Letterboxd which is a decrease as well).

It is a bad movie, and has an extremely controversial legacy now that there is some distance between now and the film’s initial release. 

Edited April 22 by Future Lovers