Gaga Vs Taylor Swift Longevity

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So lets give our Gagas congratulations. Maybe in the mid 2010s it wasnt clear where her career was gonna go... but now we can safely say that out of all the women who made their debut in music in the last 20 years, Gaga is in the top 2 keeping success and relevance the longest and most consistent

 

The other one being of course ms Variant Swift 

 

Of Course ms Variant having a clear edge out of the two when it comes to pure commercial numbers both sales and streams (and tours)...

 

Now will Taylors Edge over Gaga continue into the next generation? In another 10 or 20 years, who will win the longevity game? Discuss

[NUTELLA 19,576]

History will be kind to LG’s raw talent 

& critical of TS’s hollow chart-chasing 

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8 minutes ago, NUTELLA said:

History will be kind to LG’s raw talent 

& critical of TS’s hollow chart-chasing 

I agree on Gagas raw talent iconicness for decades to come

 

Not sure about TS... when ppl become huge legends, history tends to forget the little criticism nuances and focus on the praise abd positive highlights. I feel like her stats on streams and sales will be posted as the best selling female of all time (since shes basically surpassing Madonna) and completely forget small details like how she inflated numbers left right and centre

 

I hope im wrong about that cuz shes a fraud with her numbers

Edited 18 hours ago by Economy

[gagzus 18,503]

I think people overestimate how Taylor’s longevity occurred tbh, Taylor’s happened because she re-released her albums starting with the most popular ones and thus got a fanbase out of people who didn’t grow up with her original debut (she’s been around longer than Gaga but didn’t get anywhere near Gaga’s fame till about 2012 with Red- Fearless did well in the US though but Red made her international). She essentially hacked/cheated the system by making already successful music be released again benefitting from a pre-existing fanbase and a new one who may have never heard her music before. Gaga could easily do the same now if she was hollow but she has lost interest in chart success (despite still getting it), she’s 40 now and has managed to have multiple hit singles over the last 5 years which is amazing in hindsight.
 

Gaga went the route Beyoncé did and made herself into someone new qnd more sophisticated. She could’ve remade TFM a million times over, used old demos even but she didn’t. Taylor may have Madonna’s (albeit inflated) numbers, but Gaga is the only female popstar beyond Britney to be directly compared to her so much so Madonna tried to come for her and failed (and hasn’t been successful since ironically).  Plus Gaga has a generation of popstars now admitting they’re heavily inspired by her, and she’s being a loving icon. She’s not suing her fans or demanding writing credits like Taylor did with Olivia Rodrigo. 
 

Gaga’s inspired Sam Smith, Cardi B, Ariana Grande, Addison Rae, Tate McRae, Chappell Roan, Ava Max, Slayyyter and many more artists too. And she’s a touring force who is a known amazing vocalist and musician, she’s also now a Lead Producer of her own music as of Mayhem. 
 

The legacy speaks for itself. She’s closer to Cher, Bowie and Elton than Madonna these days. 

Edited 18 hours ago by gagzus

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3 minutes ago, gagzus said:

I think people overestimate how Taylor’s longevity occurred tbh, Taylor’s happened because she re-released her albums starting with the most popular ones and thus got a fanbase out of people who didn’t grow up with her original debut (she’s been around longer than Gaga but didn’t get anywhere near Gaga’s fame till about 2012 with Red- Fearless did well in the US though but Red made her international). 
 

Gaga went the route Beyoncé did and made herself into someone new qnd more sophisticated. She could’ve remade TFM a million times over, used old demos even but she didn’t. Taylor may have Madonna’s (albeit inflated) numbers, but Gaga is the only female popstar beyond Britney to be directly compared to her so much so Madonna tried to come for her and failed (and hasn’t been successful since ironically).  Plus Gaga has a generation of popstars now admitting they’re heavily inspired by her, and she’s being a loving icon. She’s not suing her fans or demanding writing credits like Taylor did with Olivia Rodrigo. 
 

Gaga’s inspired Sam Smith, Cardi B, Ariana Grande, Addison Rae, Tate McRae, Chappell Roan, Ava Max, Slayyyter and many more artists too. And she’s a touring force who is a known amazing vocalist and musician, she’s also now a Lead Producer of her own music as of Mayhem. 
 

The legacy speaks for itself. She’s closer to Cher, Bowie and Elton than Madonna these days. 

All this about Gaga having more talent and real artistic impact on industry i fully agree with

 

But curious on if u think TS (deserved on not) will match or outlast Gagas longevity when they get older

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Just now, Economy said:

All this about Gaga having more talent and real artistic impact on industry i fully agree with

 

But curious on if u think TS (deserved on not) will match or outlast Gagas longevity when they get older

The short answer is yes and no.

 

the long answer is I think she’ll be around just as long but I feel like when the day comes and Cher & Madonna pass away. Gaga will be the one who does the tributes not Taylor, Gaga was literally proclaimed the new queen of Pop by publications 2-3 years into her career. We can argue about like sales and stuff till the cows come home but culturally Gaga has done far more that will outlast Taylor I think.

Electronic music is everywhere and thriving now because of Gaga, Gaga brought back the 80s influence and synth pop sound to radio before Taylor became huge off it and I think when they write the history books of not just music, Gaga’s philanthropic efforts will outlive Taylor’s ozone destroying jet set efforts. 
 

Gaga has proven herself and doesn’t need to now anymore, Taylor still acts like she has something to prove and hasn’t settled into a niche yet. She’s been in a “I must make hits and get Grammys” mindset since Red lost AOTY and PERSONALLY listening to TLOASG there’s no evolution from 1989 at all sonically or lyrically. 

[Wet Fire 8,127]

I do think Gaga has what it takes to reinvent, pivot or whatever it is when things get messy. And that directly adds to longevity. Taylor never had to face the gargantuan backlash and obstacles Gaga had to go through. Yes, Reputation happened and she did come under heavy scrutiny, but she was still selling millions of copies, TLOASG was an artistic failure but he still broke streaming records. The GP has been on her side forever even when she is "flop". It's far from what happened to Gaga with ARTPOP or Joker 2. The GP never got sick of Taylor's overexposure as they did by the end of the BTW era. Gaga has simply seen lower lows and learnt what it takes to rise again. Gaga has bounced back from many career "deaths" and that is a testament to my hope that she is here to stay no matter what.

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Gaga is constantly reinventing herself.

Taylor should learn to do it if she wants to last.

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34 minutes ago, Wet Fire said:

I do think Gaga has what it takes to reinvent, pivot or whatever it is when things get messy. And that directly adds to longevity. Taylor never had to face the gargantuan backlash and obstacles Gaga had to go through. Yes, Reputation happened and she did come under heavy scrutiny, but she was still selling millions of copies, TLOASG was an artistic failure but he still broke streaming records. The GP has been on her side forever even when she is "flop". It's far from what happened to Gaga with ARTPOP or Joker 2. The GP never got sick of Taylor's overexposure as they did by the end of the BTW era. Gaga has simply seen lower lows and learnt what it takes to rise again. Gaga has bounced back from many career "deaths" and that is a testament to my hope that she is here to stay no matter what.

I think it can’t be overstated that Gaga’s overexposure only occurred when she started talking about human rights and wanting people to respect LGBTQ+ people, people couldn’t stand that she was walking the walk instead of just talking about it. Like I don’t see Taylor Swift screaming to be arrested at a concert in Russia or considering to perform at the risk of terrorist threats in Jakarta. 

People like Gaga and Britney for example took **** from the general public and bounced back stronger than ever. Taylor Swift got mad that she wasn’t making as much money as she should on streaming and cried about it online. Same for her masters, her being mad they were bought by Scooter Braun and her “reclaiming her music rights” only for it to turn out she could’ve bought them back all along and she just milked it for a few years and then bought the rights so she has double the money now. Basically scammed her whole fanbase and supporters out of money for years. 

[Meredith Grey 3,193]

The amount some of you hate Taylor swift is so funny to me. Like do you guys punch holes in your mom’s walls everytime she releases another variant or something lmao

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I think they both have longevity in them for different roles in the pop community. Gaga will probs always be the great reinventing chameleon with talent and a unique point of view, whereas I feel like Tay is a business reinvetor, but also that relatable gal next door. Thought I hope she eventually kinda grows up in the lyrics department.

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50 minutes ago, Meredith Grey said:

The amount some of you hate Taylor swift is so funny to me. Like do you guys punch holes in your mom’s walls everytime she releases another variant or something lmao

yes

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I thought about this. I was in middle school when Taylor Swift first got noticed. I remember her early songs on Youtube and how they were a topic for us.

Now I am 27, and middle schoolers I teach still listen to her.

[Wet Fire 8,127]

2 hours ago, Meredith Grey said:

The amount some of you hate Taylor swift is so funny to me. Like do you guys punch holes in your mom’s walls everytime she releases another variant or something lmao

Here we go again

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4 hours ago, gagzus said:

I think it can’t be overstated that Gaga’s overexposure only occurred when she started talking about human rights and wanting people to respect LGBTQ+ people, people couldn’t stand that she was walking the walk instead of just talking about it. Like I don’t see Taylor Swift screaming to be arrested at a concert in Russia or considering to perform at the risk of terrorist threats in Jakarta. 

People like Gaga and Britney for example took **** from the general public and bounced back stronger than ever. Taylor Swift got mad that she wasn’t making as much money as she should on streaming and cried about it online. Same for her masters, her being mad they were bought by Scooter Braun and her “reclaiming her music rights” only for it to turn out she could’ve bought them back all along and she just milked it for a few years and then bought the rights so she has double the money now. Basically scammed her whole fanbase and supporters out of money for years. 

Gaga's overexposure also came at the time when she was walking around wearing fake moles and horns. She was questioning what is an "attractive" female pop star.

Edited 13 hours ago by Wet Fire