mamo 20,317 Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 Just now, River said: She was the biggest winner that night lol There's nothing to be pissed about, Bad Bunny's win is a win for all of us, it's a win against Trump, against ICE, against MAGA. The fact that he did his acceptance speech mostly in Spanish is f-cking brave and a reminder that he is American and Spanish IS his mother tongue and not English! For once, honestly, just celebrate a win of another artist, celebrate the impact he did. Just so we're totally clear: I'm not annoyed at Bad Bunny. I completely support his win and I'm totally 100% against what's happening in America right now. This thread is about Gaga's overall discography and why she hasn't scored a general field win as of yet. Not just because she lost yesterday but for the last 16 years! I hope that clears everything up. Ï could be your girlfriend for the weekend... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I wish Gaga's career did not revolve around Grammys, or as in fan's perspective tbh. There are numerous legends without a single win. There are tons of milestone albums without a single Grammy nominations. Just because Grammys started to award pop albums( just to bring stan culture into their show to increase their popularity), now every conversation is will this win a Grammy or is it in the deadline etc? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacs vs looser 4,998 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, mamo said: It leaves me with so many questions. What exactly keeps working against her? This is my biggest question, there has to be a specific reason for it, 14 times with no wins is not coincidence and it cannot be that external reasons (context, other nominees etc) made her loose every single time. After DWAS lost SOTY and wasn't even nominated for ROTY despite Bruno being a huge Grammy favorite I'm starting to believe there is a significant group within the Grammys voting committee that literally do not like her and will vote against her *every time*. What the reason for it might be? I don't know: I'm inclined to believe it's because she's seen as the full embodiment of pop music and the genre is seen as "less deserving", and anything she does is cataloged as such by them. Whatever it might be, it will continue to stop her from getting a general field win unless something seismic happens to dramatically shift the idea of those voters. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo 8,036 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Nothing, because she should never set foot at the Grammys again. The way they disrespected her this time was completely wrong 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanishIntoMe 3,933 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Michael needs to get up on that stage and make everyone feel bad for her. Then she'll get it. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alxjcgn 1,945 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, Controversiaga said: She WILL release an album BETTER than mayhem, she totally can. She’s done it before and she’ll do it again. but we can’t control what other artists release. I have expectations that whatever is next to come will secure her an AOTY win or at least more of those general field awards. I have no clue what she is gonna do next, but the way she seems so inspired lately leads me to believe she is only going to give us more music that only gets better each time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack3257 854 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Honestly, there is a world where Mayhem is one of the greatest albums of all time. I just think that some of the track placements (and standard vs deluxe selection) could have been improved. Personally, I would do the following: —Swap Blade of Grass for Happy Mistake —Place Can’t Stop the High after Killah —Kill for Love after Shadow of a Man, replacing Don’t Call Tonight This would make TDD, Don’t Call Tonight, and Blade of Grass the bonus tracks. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 27,315 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Her first three albums arguably deserved to win album of the year, and it’s even more obvious in hindsight. Award shows sometimes don’t get it right at the right moment, and then it just feels too late. If they didn’t give it to her for BTW, why would they give it to her for MAYHEM? That’s kinda how it feels. It’s also not that deep. At the end of the day, that’s just a big popularity contest. A lot of incredible artists haven’t even got a single Grammy. Edited February 2 by elijahfan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bim 782 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, Lucas said: The only thing I'd say is that maybe giving more life to the music might help, through music videos, performances etc... I’m curious how you feel she could’ve done this differently? We have three music videos, which Disease and Abracadabra are top tier and some of her best. We have the entirety of her festival show broadcast to the world via Coachella and Copacabana, she even played several others, which brought Mayhem to life in one of the best stage shows of her career. She’s currently touring the world as an arena version, where she’s breathing life back into older music and honoring her entire catalog in the process. We have two professionally recorded, stripped back versions of Disease, an acoustic Abracadabra, Perfect Celebrity, and Vanish into You, which are all stunning and part of an interview circuit. Her interview with Zane Lowe at Welcome to the Johnson’s made so much click for the album. There’s the interview with Rolling Stone of her breaking down the construction of Disease, and a Song Exploder episode doing the same with Abracadabra. We also have Mayhem: Requiem in the pipeline. This era has been a magnificent showcase of Gaga as an artist and how she personally can bring life to her music in a way that most other artists cannot. Even though she didn’t win, it’s surprising to me you feel she didn’t do enough on this end of it. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bim 782 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, mamo said: This thread is about Gaga's overall discography and why she hasn't scored a general field win as of yet. Not just because she lost yesterday but for the last 16 years! I hope that clears everything up. I’d been thinking about this leading up to the Grammy’s and here’s where I landed. I feel like Gaga is an artist where if you get it, you get it. If you don’t, you don’t. And she’s not the easiest person to understand, especially when a lot of her career, she didn’t even understand it herself. The fans have seen her artistry from the start, but I’ll never forget when she did the Sound of Music tribute at the Oscar’s and the headlines were ‘who knew lady Gaga could actually sing’. Meanwhile, the fanbase has been obsessing over the theatrical, cabaret piano covers of her songs back in 2008. It was no shock to us that she could pull off that tribute, the general public saw it differently. The Grammy voters have essentially told us they don’t always listen to the music or spend too much time digging into all this, and they let their bias control their voting instead of letting the music speak for itself. Which, to be fair, her music doesn’t always speak for itself in the way it would gain a win in the main categories. She’s approached her albums from a lens of ‘making music with my friends and young producers’ pretty much up until Mayhem. While this is fine for the fan base, from a technical perspective, it can be a bit unpolished compared to some of her peers. The production on Mayhem felt different in a good way, much cleaner and tighter, more simple, even less on the nose, like with the outro of Zombieboy. Let’s be honest, Bad Romance not winning, let alone even being nominated in a main category is almost criminal, and The Fame Monster is an incredibly well crafted album, which at least got flowers via nomination. I just don’t feel people understood who and what she truly was. Maybe performance of it all was making it harder for people to see. I feel it’s important to remember how much she changed the industry with what she brought to the table. Look at the fashion and theatrics of pop music before and after Gaga entered the scene. It’s not that it didn’t exist, she just so boldly shoved it down the throats of pop culture that it changed things for everyone. The fashion has become a standard/expectation instead of just left for the artsy/cool kids/etc. It’s easier to understand the grit and beauty of what she was doing when looking back compared to when it was being debuted to the world. Perhaps the academy saw and heard the grit, but not the beauty I also feel as much as we’ve loved and celebrated her, she’s gotten a lot of bad press, especially during the ARTPOP era. And the Grammy voters have admitted this is part of their decision making. Even part of the fanbase themselves threw her under the bus during Joanne, and is even continuing to do so as recently as dragging her performance last night. I even saw a user on here say it was one of the worst performances of her career. Her public image has definitely changed for the better, people understand what she’s capable of now, and it feels like this is possibly the first era where she has been universally loved and respected as an artist. It makes me excited for what’s to come and hopeful she has a shot at the big categories. Just a little thought dump. I could talk about this woman and her music until my final breath. 9 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamo 20,317 Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 (edited) 27 minutes ago, bim said: I’d been thinking about this leading up to the Grammy’s and here’s where I landed. I feel like Gaga is an artist where if you get it, you get it. If you don’t, you don’t. And she’s not the easiest person to understand, especially when a lot of her career, she didn’t even understand it herself. The fans have seen her artistry from the start, but I’ll never forget when she did the Sound of Music tribute at the Oscar’s and the headlines were ‘who knew lady Gaga could actually sing’. Meanwhile, the fanbase has been obsessing over the theatrical, cabaret piano covers of her songs back in 2008. It was no shock to us that she could pull off that tribute, the general public saw it differently. The Grammy voters have essentially told us they don’t always listen to the music or spend too much time digging into all this, and they let their bias control their voting instead of letting the music speak for itself. Which, to be fair, her music doesn’t always speak for itself in the way it would gain a win in the main categories. She’s approached her albums from a lens of ‘making music with my friends and young producers’ pretty much up until Mayhem. While this is fine for the fan base, from a technical perspective, it can be a bit unpolished compared to some of her peers. The production on Mayhem felt different in a good way, much cleaner and tighter, more simple, even less on the nose, like with the outro of Zombieboy. Let’s be honest, Bad Romance not winning, let alone even being nominated in a main category is almost criminal, and The Fame Monster is an incredibly well crafted album, which at least got flowers via nomination. I just don’t feel people understood who and what she truly was. Maybe performance of it all was making it harder for people to see. I feel it’s important to remember how much she changed the industry with what she brought to the table. Look at the fashion and theatrics of pop music before and after Gaga entered the scene. It’s not that it didn’t exist, she just so boldly shoved it down the throats of pop culture that it changed things for everyone. The fashion has become a standard/expectation instead of just left for the artsy/cool kids/etc. It’s easier to understand the grit and beauty of what she was doing when looking back compared to when it was being debuted to the world. Perhaps the academy saw and heard the grit, but not the beauty I also feel as much as we’ve loved and celebrated her, she’s gotten a lot of bad press, especially during the ARTPOP era. And the Grammy voters have admitted this is part of their decision making. Even part of the fanbase themselves threw her under the bus during Joanne, and is even continuing to do so as recently as dragging her performance last night. I even saw a user on here say it was one of the worst performances of her career. Her public image has definitely changed for the better, people understand what she’s capable of now, and it feels like this is possibly the first era where she has been universally loved and respected as an artist. It makes me excited for what’s to come and hopeful she has a shot at the big categories. Just a little thought dump. I could talk about this woman and her music until my final breath. Thank you for such a thoughtful and articulate response. I honestly just find this topic endlessly fascinating. She is clearly miles ahead of the vast majority of her peers, yet somehow continues to be overlooked when it comes to the highest honours. Yes, 16 Grammys is an incredible achievement, but seeing one of the greatest hitmakers and performers of our time repeatedly passed over for such a prestigious award leaves a bitter taste. Especially when it has gone to artists whose work feels comparatively lackluster. I can understand why Gaga may have been dismissed earlier in her career. Many people misread her persona and performance art as attention-seeking “antics,” failing to recognise the depth and intention behind it. Of course, fans understood it from the very beginning, and now the industry is barely just catching up. Still, it feels like that recognition may have come too late. As for the fans criticising her performance last night, all I can say is develop better taste and always expect the unexpected with Gaga. Sure, I thought we might get something completely different, but I loved what she did with Abracadabra, dialing things back while preserving its avant-garde edge. It felt like a love-letter to McQueen, and also a nod to some of her early career performances, which is exactly what MAYHEM represents. Absolutely perfect. Edited February 3 by mamo Ï could be your girlfriend for the weekend... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotLikeMexico 6,210 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) I honestly think the only album that truly had a chance, and I think was snubbed was The Fame Monster. People want to say Born This Way is the only answer but it was sadly cooked against Adele. I don’t think she can do anything else but release an album that just meets what the academy is looking for. It’s all chance really. Edited February 3 by HotLikeMexico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFXIV WhiteMage 6,179 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) BR was the sureball win for GF - high acclaim and big commercial success in the US. Another one was DWAS but it was released too near the Grammy deadline and was eclipsed with the Kendrick vs Drake battle. Gaga needs a highly acclaimed album/song with tons of commercial success in the US ala TS and Billie. Or a big narrative with cultural impact (her BTW era deserves so much). I don't see her feuding with someone like TS and she's past her debut/early prime like Billie. Ageism and the fact that she's more of an eccentric popstar rather than the vibe or "cooler"/cutesy one makes me believe that it'll never happen to her She can still pull a Beyonce but idc anymore at this point. She's a legend and had already outlasted in terms of relevancy those big GF winners in the past and probably these recent batch of winners too. Edited February 3 by FFXIV WhiteMage 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 22,044 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) In the end, Gaga already has like 15 Grammy trophys, so I think she's going to be fine haha. However I do feel the USA will always find her "too polarising" no matter what she does that. Her weirdness and sonics are more embraced outside the US landscape tbh. Edited February 3 by Starmie25 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers 30,775 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 14 hours ago, River said: She was the biggest winner that night lol There's nothing to be pissed about, Bad Bunny's win is a win for all of us, it's a win against Trump, against ICE, against MAGA. The fact that he did his acceptance speech mostly in Spanish is f-cking brave and a reminder that he is American and Spanish IS his mother tongue and not English! For once, honestly, just celebrate a win of another artist, celebrate the impact he did. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I'm proud of you for this conclusion. Edited February 3 by Bonkers Remember to like and subscribe, and click on the bell icon to get the latest updates 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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