Ladle Ghoulash 53,169 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) “ICE is a division of the Department of Homeland Security. Much like DHS itself, it was spawned as a response to 9/11 and the Global War on Terror. ICE was created in a national security context, blending immigration enforcement with counterterrorism culture, equipment, and mindset. What we are seeing in the United States is the rise of the warrior cop. Masked federal agents donning multicam and plate carriers, injected into civilian life with a GWOT mentality. This is no routine law enforcement. This is occupation-style policing. Until recently, immigration enforcement was overwhelmingly a civil matter. Visa overstays, border crossings, and asylum claims were processed administratively rather than treated as battlefield threats. Under the current administration, immigration is increasingly framed as criminality itself. So when the President says they are “going after criminals,” that definition quietly expands to include visa overstays, people in green card or asylum processing, and peaceful individuals caught in bureaucratic limbo. This framing becomes the justification for the police state. The Department of Homeland Security has now taken the position, via internal guidance, that entering homes without a judicial warrant using administrative authority is lawful. This is an assertion by fiat, not a principle recognized by the Constitution, statute, or the courts. The Fourth Amendment does not bend to agency memos. The militarization of domestic enforcement did not happen overnight. The surplus weapons, vehicles, and equipment from foreign wars were gradually brought home and distributed to federal agencies and police departments through long-standing programs that accelerated after 9/11. The tools of war have been normalized in civilian governance. Now those weapons, systems, and intelligence apparatuses are being used against immigrants and citizens alike. Soon, they will be used against you. The technocratic police state is designed for mission creep. Powers justified for one emergency expand to the next, until they are permanent, all-seeing, and unquestioned. The left fights in the streets. The right cheers the legitimacy of the force used against them. Together, they move in a morbid waltz toward total technocratic control. Do not be fooled. Every justification for state violence will be depersonalized, amplified, and systematized until it is a permanent feature of governance. Abolish ICE. Reform the broken immigration system. Do not give the police state an inch.” Edited January 25 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EART HL I NG 1,307 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Hmm, didn’t think I would be this pleased to read anything from the LP maybe there’s hope for deodorant next Edited January 25 by EART HL I NG 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 5,336 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Its expected from the Libertarians, im not shocked. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmar 22,768 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Well the Libertarians are just being brave enough to say the obvious; the establishment of the DHS after 9/11 has grown increasingly draconian until we've now gotten here under fascist leadership. I don't think this will win them any votes (no matter what they do they never get more than 2%-3%) but I'm glad they're saying something that the Democrats aren't and that the Republicans are actively against. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,545 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I used to have this dream of the extreme right splintering from normal conservatives. The GOP would give way to the MAGA party and conservatives would join the Libertarians. I don't know that I believe that anymore but still. It would make sense. Which is probably why Republicans would never do it Whimsical bitch Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, faysalaaa said: Its expected from the Libertarians, im not shocked. It’s really not expected at all. Oftentimes libertarians are republicans in wiser clothes and NEVER speak out like this. Yes, their stance aligns with this (they did make it, after all), but the GOP is also technically small government and it’s the most overreaching and militarized it’s been in decades. So this really is a shock that the libertarians didn’t find a goalpost to move. That should make the GOP’s blood run cold 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 15,869 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I'm happy to see the Libertarians say this even after the fascist entryism of the Mises Caucus. We also need to abolish the two party system as well. he/him/his 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,051 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, calmar said: Well the Libertarians are just being brave enough to say the obvious; the establishment of the DHS after 9/11 has grown increasingly draconian until we've now gotten here under fascist leadership. I don't think this will win them any votes (no matter what they do they never get more than 2%-3%) but I'm glad they're saying something that the Democrats aren't and that the Republicans are actively against. It’s not about them getting votes it’s about what this signals for the GOP who the libertarians typically side with. If they’re this vocally against what you’re doing you need to listen and be worried 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 53,169 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, faysalaaa said: Its expected from the Libertarians, im not shocked. Eh, not really given how far right the majority of the American libertarian movement is. They generally very selectively apply the “Don’t Tread On Me” ethos and often times support LEOs pretty unquestionably. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 5,336 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 31 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Eh, not really given how far right the majority of the American libertarian movement is. They generally very selectively apply the “Don’t Tread On Me” ethos and often times support LEOs pretty unquestionably. 34 minutes ago, Ziggy said: It’s really not expected at all. Oftentimes libertarians are republicans in wiser clothes and NEVER speak out like this. Yes, their stance aligns with this (they did make it, after all), but the GOP is also technically small government and it’s the most overreaching and militarized it’s been in decades. So this really is a shock that the libertarians didn’t find a goalpost to move. That should make the GOP’s blood run cold Yeah thats very true! I used to agreed and follow Libertarians, then I realized after Trump it was all a lie. They even used to be pro sex work and trans people, but now they are against it. I still watch people like Ron Paul and he seems consistent, and some still are. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mayhem 3,430 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 But will Trump and his corrupt administration listen? No... These people are like a cancer that needs to be taken out. They dont care about laws, federal authority, checks and balances, humane treatment and ethics...NOTHING I fear Trump is drunk with power and feels he can do anything without impeachment (no pun intended) and get away with it. Murder...crime...all the things he claims to ge protecting americans from when the people hes hurting are ONLY americans Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCool 1,009 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I liked him. This should have gotten blown up back in the day for how funny and dead on he is Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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