Bonkers 30,215 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Obobo said: Because they are pop girls and have no power against ICE or trump. Lots of pop girls played their part during elections, where their voices would actually matter. This energy should be placed on the people that can actually make change. Pop girls making statements is just performative at this point. Can't agree. They have millions of followers who listen and form opinions based on what they say and do. News and entertainment outlets report on what they're doing. The reach they have is massive and powerful. Lady Gaga knows how to make persuasive arguments that can and would shape minds. It would come at a cost to her to do it, and that's why she's not doing it. Edited January 25 by Bonkers Remember to like and subscribe, and click on the bell icon to get the latest updates 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars 2,474 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Im positive shes making moves behind the scenes. Isnt Michael from Minneapolis? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagacabana 346 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, elsamars said: Silence is not neutral. When injustice, violence, or exclusion happens repeatedly without public reaction, it slides from being shocking into being ordinary. That’s how normalization works: not because people agree, but because they stop responding. Protest, outrage, art, and public statements break that slide. They re-signal that something is not okay, that it deserves attention and resistance. Labeling these acts as “performative” can be dangerous because it shifts the focus from impact to intent. Even if an action begins as symbolic, symbols matter. They shape language, perception, and emotional permission. Once a subject enters everyday conversation songs, TV, celebrity interviews, social media posts it becomes harder to ignore, dismiss, or erase. Exactly like this is why the moment Gaga stopped wearing meat dresses it all went apeshit it's not a coincidence. Society needs that outstanding disruptive Gaga back I don't believe in the glorification of murder, I do believe in the empowerment of women 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 34,484 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/25/2026 at 11:09 AM, elsamars said: It's not about changing minds. It's about speaking up, showing your stance and fighting. It's about fighting against normalization. I can't believe I need to explain this in a Gaga forum. When you don't speak up, when you don't protest, when you don't show any reaction, it becomes a part of every day life. It becomes normalized. When it happens to you one day and when no f*cking one gives a damn about you, you'll understand what it means. You'll understand how labeling things "performative" was dangerous. In what world is politics not about changing minds? You rolled your eyes at someone insinuating it was performative and then proceed to ask for the performance of opposition. I agree on the issue of normalization, but one of the key ways to avoid normalization has to do with effecting public opinion (ie changing minds), so if Gaga is not culturally in a position to change the minds of people who disagree with her, what is she doing to aid in the preventing the normalization of ICE’s brutality? Also pretty rich (and not totally surprising) that you’ve resorted to personal attacks, but it’s even more ironic given: you’re not from the country where this is happening and ICE raids are happening in the state that I live in and communities I work in. I have friends who are afraid of being apprehended by ICE because of their race. To act like I don’t care about the issue because I question the extent that Gaga’s (or any pop star’s) involvement in this would meaningfully move the needle and because I think pressuring politicians is more important than pressuring pop stars is genuinely ridiculous. Edited January 27 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 687 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The question we should be asking is why is everyone else, regular folks, silent. A pop star isn’t going to enlighten the masses, there’s little to no politicians who have the gravitas and clout to make an activist movement out of this, and the rest of us are still going to work and getting brunch in spite of it all. IMO, spreading awareness about ICE isn’t enough. We need to start generating serious discussions amongst ourselves about a general strike (at the very least) to take back any semblance of power that we citizens have/had. Capitalists, like pop stars and other politicians, won’t open that discussion because it hurts their pocketbooks. Furthermore: abolishing ICE is now a conservative take. No pop star is going to say that ICE should be dismantled and everyone from the top down should be prosecuted and rot in jail. It’s ever more clear that it is up to the citizens, not figureheads, who need to step up and spread awareness ourselves to generate that change. 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsamars 5,665 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: In what world is politics not about changing minds? You rolled your eyes at someone insinuating it was performative and then proceed to ask for the performance of opposition. I agree on the issue of normalization, but one of the key ways to avoid normalization has to do with effecting public opinion (ie changing minds), so if Gaga is not culturally in a position to change the minds of people who disagree with her, what is she doing to aid in the preventing the normalization of ICE’s brutlaity? Also pretty rich (and not totally surprising) that you’ve resorted to personal attacks, but it’s even more ironic given: you’re not from the country where this is happening and ICE raids are happening in the state that I live in and communities I work in. I have friends who are afraid of being apprehended by ICE because of their race. To act like I don’t care about the issue because I question the extent that Gaga’s (or any pop star’s involvement) involvement in this would meaningfully move the needle and because I think pressuring politicians is more important than pressuring pop stars is genuinely ridiculous. First, I'm literally living in Minneapolis and that's why I am speaking up. So I am waiting for you apologize to me for your b*llshit rhetoric. Second: Silence is not neutral. When injustice, violence, or exclusion happens repeatedly without public reaction, it slides from being shocking into being ordinary. That’s how normalization works: not because people agree, but because they stop responding. Protest, outrage, art, and public statements break that slide. They re-signal that something is not okay, that it deserves attention and resistance. Labeling these acts as “performative” can be dangerous because it shifts the focus from impact to intent. Even if an action begins as symbolic, symbols matter. They shape language, perception, and emotional permission. Once a subject enters everyday conversation songs, TV, celebrity interviews, social media posts it becomes harder to ignore, dismiss, or erase. You only fully understand this when it happens to you. When something harms you, and no one gives a damn. That’s when you realize what silence creates. That’s when you see how abandonment feels. Pop culture has always played a role in breaking that silence. In the 80s and 90s, AIDS was ignored because it was seen as “someone else’s problem.” Governments stayed quiet. Media avoided it. People died while society looked away. What changed things wasn’t silence, it was visibility. Artists, musicians, actors, filmmakers, activists made it impossible to ignore. They put faces and emotions to the crisis. They made caring acceptable. It wasn’t perfect. It wasn’t always elegant. But it worked. Speaking up disrupts normalization. It keeps pain from becoming background noise. It reminds people that what’s happening is real and that it matters. Because when no one speaks, cruelty becomes routine. And once that happens, anyone can be next. Edited January 25 by elsamars a wolf in sheep’s clothing is deadlier than an honest foe 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obobo 3,738 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Bonkers said: They have millions of followers who listen and form opinions based on what they say and do. The thing is social media and news outlets are echo chambers. Most of her followers already politically align with her and all she would do is stroke their egos and be validation for people that need it from celebrities for some reason. The social media accounts and news outlets that don’t align with her opinion would blow it up and skew her message in a way that makes them even more Pro ICE and Trump. Heck we all know they’ll be digging up her **** that liberals and leftists don’t like. theres literally no positive other than “yasss my queen agrees with me purrr!!!” 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 2,926 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) When are we gonna realize Gaga and the rest of her peers are, objectively, blatant capitalists? I love her as an artist but the truth is right there. I don't expect nothing from her except for good music nowadays Plus; yes, anything they said and spoke out about in the past was performative. I would change my mind if they actively wanted to change the system that allows them to have the ridiculous amount of wealth they have, but they still have to prove otherwise. Fighting for rights is a working class issue; they've got nothing to fight for as long as their money keeps intact Edited January 25 by elegidadedios 9 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsamars 5,665 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 15 minutes ago, elegidadedios said: When are we gonna realize Gaga (and the rest of her peers) are, objectively, blatant capitalists? I love her as an artist but the truth is right there. I don't expect nothing from her except for good music nowadays Thank you for this honest take. The other paragraph you added, I don't agree you with you at all. Labeling these things performative is dangerous. Edited January 25 by elsamars a wolf in sheep’s clothing is deadlier than an honest foe 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 16,588 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 33 minutes ago, Obobo said: Because they are pop girls and have no power against ICE or trump. Lots of pop girls played their part during elections, where their voices would actually matter. This energy should be placed on the people that can actually make change. Pop girls making statements is just performative at this point. The people who can make change are the people with a platform. The media is actively surpressing news from Minnesota. They're trying to avoid talking about the general strike. They minimise the numbers taking to the streets across the US in multiple cities. They try to avoid talking about how businesses are refusing to serve ICE, locking their doors when they try to come in. Multiple non-whites were killed by ICE last year and the national media stayed as silent as they possibly could, they only talk now because its whites being killed and they can't ignore dead white people. All of these celebs have massive platforms visible to millions globally. They can be sharing what people in Minnesota are posting. They can be amplifying the people fighting on the very front line against these fascists so that it is impossible to ignore what is happening. In silence they are complicit. If you have a platform and refuse to use it. You don't deserve it. The gays know how to party 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 2,926 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 44 minutes ago, Obobo said: Because they are pop girls and have no power against ICE or trump. Lots of pop girls played their part during elections, where their voices would actually matter. This energy should be placed on the people that can actually make change. Pop girls making statements is just performative at this point. Also, this is a very american take (wanting pop girls and famous ppl to speak on issues). No offense at all. I expect my politicians (leftist over here) to do things for good. And that's it 2 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 16,588 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, ****oDanceFight said: The question we should be asking is why is everyone else, regular folks, silent. A pop star isn’t going to enlighten the masses, there’s little to no politicians who have the gravitas and clout to make an activist movement out of this, and the rest of us are still going to work and getting brunch in spite of it all Regular people are silent because they can compartmentalise whats happening because it isnt yet happening to them. The louder everyone around them is, the harder it is for people to ignore and compartmentalise what is happening next door. Activist movements, certainly none of the famous ones, have been organised or reached prominence due to existing politicians with gravitas. The AIDS activists weren't politicians with gravitas, they were people who cared and wanted to change things. They were predominantly 20 and 30 somethings refusing to let the state kill them through silence. Act Up was normal people who made AIDS impossible to ignore. Larry Kramer was a writer. MLK was a preacher. He wasn't a politician. He was a local community man. Malcom X was an ex con. Gloria Steinum was a columnist. Its never been about politicians. They're the last people who come on board. The gays know how to party 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOT 3,412 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Every public figure who speaks up makes some small difference, and I applaud those who do, but they are under no obligation to speak up. Popstars are popstars, they are not public servants, they are not elected reptesentatives. US Government agents are executing US citizens on the streets in broad daylight. People are afraid. Justifiably so. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 34,484 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 23 minutes ago, elsamars said: First, I'm literally living in Minneapolis and that's why I am speaking up. So I am waiting for you apologize to me for your b*llshit rhetoric. Second: Silence is not neutral. When injustice, violence, or exclusion happens repeatedly without public reaction, it slides from being shocking into being ordinary. That’s how normalization works: not because people agree, but because they stop responding. Protest, outrage, art, and public statements break that slide. They re-signal that something is not okay, that it deserves attention and resistance. Labeling these acts as “performative” can be dangerous because it shifts the focus from impact to intent. Even if an action begins as symbolic, symbols matter. They shape language, perception, and emotional permission. Once a subject enters everyday conversation songs, TV, celebrity interviews, social media posts it becomes harder to ignore, dismiss, or erase. You only fully understand this when it happens to you. When something harms you, and no one gives a damn. That’s when you realize what silence creates. That’s when you see how abandonment feels. Pop culture has always played a role in breaking that silence. In the 80s and 90s, AIDS was ignored because it was seen as “someone else’s problem.” Governments stayed quiet. Media avoided it. People died while society looked away. What changed things wasn’t silence, it was visibility. Artists, musicians, actors, filmmakers, activists made it impossible to ignore. They put faces and emotions to the crisis. They made caring acceptable. It wasn’t perfect. It wasn’t always elegant. But it worked. Speaking up disrupts normalization. It keeps pain from becoming background noise. It reminds people that what’s happening is real and that it matters. Because when no one speaks, cruelty becomes routine. And once that happens, anyone can be next. So you copied and pasted a previous reply of yours without addressing the content of my post. Also: in what world do you deserve an apology here? You made a series of hardline moral accusations because I disagreed with you and now you expect an apology…for what? Edited January 25 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 18,183 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 52 minutes ago, Obobo said: Because they are pop girls and have no power against ICE or trump. This is really not true. They have a huge amount of attention, clout and influence. Beyoncé in particular is very impactful. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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