gagzus 17,798 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 minutes ago, Bronco said: The issue is the purity test dogma in progressive groups. They demand perfection today which is just impossible. Like there's been some political drama in the UK over the weekend, and i've seen folks attacking a potential more left wing alternative to the PM because he took £1000 from an Israeli lobbying group in 2004. They've literally had to go back 22 years to find something to complain about. I think sadly here in the UK we’re going to end up in a Reform v Labour loggerhead which sucks because, as a Green Party voter, I was hoping they’d actually have a chance to stand up against Stamer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 16,840 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, gagzus said: I think sadly here in the UK we’re going to end up in a Reform v Labour loggerhead which sucks because, as a Green Party voter, I was hoping they’d actually have a chance to stand up against Stamer Labour are done & buried. All evidence at the moment is we'll see a Reform majority with the Tories, Greens, Libs & Labour all sitting on similar seat levels. The council elections in May for England are a straight Green vs Reform shoot-out. Wales in May is looking at Plaid being the largest party & capable of forming a coalition government with the Greens (Labour will face near total extinction). Scotland will be the usual SNP dominance, potential for an SNP majority. Reform will likely leapfrog the Tories & Labour into 2nd by hoovering up working class votes in Glasgow & Edinburgh as well as the unionists in the Borders. Labour's ****ed atm and they just blocked the only chance they have at rebuilding some ground from running lol. Tbh though, I fully expect the Reform councils in England to balls it up spectacularly for Farage. Alongside his unavoidable ties to Trump. By the time we get to 2029, the reform brand will be sullied and weaker and the Tories will have regained some ground. The gays know how to party Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 17,798 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Bronco said: Labour are done & buried. All evidence at the moment is we'll see a Reform majority with the Tories, Greens, Libs & Labour all sitting on similar seat levels. The council elections in May for England are a straight Green vs Reform shoot-out. Wales in May is looking at Plaid being the largest party & capable of forming a coalition government with the Greens (Labour will face near total extinction). Scotland will be the usual SNP dominance, potential for an SNP majority. Reform will likely leapfrog the Tories & Labour into 2nd by hoovering up working class votes in Glasgow & Edinburgh as well as the unionists in the Borders. Labour's ****ed atm and they just blocked the only chance they have at rebuilding some ground from running lol. Tbh though, I fully expect the Reform councils in England to balls it up spectacularly for Farage. Alongside his unavoidable ties to Trump. By the time we get to 2029, the reform brand will be sullied and weaker and the Tories will have regained some ground. The reform brand is too extreme sometimes and clearly modelled on the Trumpian ways of America, here at my local council they got elected in and immediately pulled funds from and stopped Pride and other local festivals to “save money and stop the woke agenda” Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemoMyName 1,596 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I rather them speak with money instead a post in social media, there's a lot of them already. I don't need a star talking about this without opening their bank account to help. Words doesn't matter anymore. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemoMyName 1,596 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Also, drifting the blame to pop star is so vanal, like, you shoul care about what the dems are doing, the Congress and all that stuff, politicians, they can change ****, that's more important than a moral support from a singer. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 166,712 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 25 minutes ago, dynamite said: Come to LA by the 22nd of February and I gotchu for a Mayhem Ball ticket ¡Seguimos aquí! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 35,173 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, elsamars said: I understand maybe you confued with someone else. I am having a meltdown because labeling speaking up as performative boils my blood. Yes, I live in Minneapolis and there are other things I don't want to disclose on this forum. I can't express how anxious it is to even go out of street. Just when we thought nobody is speaking up and all this silence is deafening, reading a post like this especially in GGD is so heartbreaking. Speaking matters a lot. Even when you think it won't make a difference, it can change a lot of people's lives. It can give courage and will to live and fight. I think you misunderstand what I mean when I say “performative” because I’m not saying that it’s intrinsically hollow or even pointless so much as I’m saying celebrities signal boosting or amplifying political mostly serves as a sign to others about where they stand and doesn’t directly effect material outcomes in any pronounced way. I think that can be *helpful*, but I don’t think it moves the needle in any meaningful way nor does compelling it require the level of urgency some folks treat it with as opposed to the urgency required to compel pols to stand up and do their jobs to actually stop this ****. On the issue of speaking giving people hope, there are so many Minnesotans out in the streets who genuinely give me hope in the way they’re fighting back in a way that Gaga posting about it on IG never could, tbh. There’s some brave motherf*ckers out there and I think it’s fair to say that there are probably very few people on this thread that don’t stand with them during this period of unrest. Edited January 25 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 16,840 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, gagzus said: The reform brand is too extreme sometimes and clearly modelled on the Trumpian ways of America, here at my local council they got elected in and immediately pulled funds from and stopped Pride and other local festivals to “save money and stop the woke agenda” And even beyond the stunt funding cuts like that - there was a council in Lancashire where they tried to cut the social care funding for pensioners in care homes & force them to move care homes. Care homes which happened to be owned by a business linked to a Reform councillor... If Labour hold on till the 2029 limit, Reform has 4 years worth of council leadership to **** up their brand. And it will happen. The gays know how to party Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANVEEROY 62,431 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 These pop gurls are bunch of cowards, including Gaga. DJ HIT THE LIGHTS! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 3,314 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 46 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: I think you misunderstand what I mean when I say “performative” because I’m not saying that it’s intrinsically hollow or even pointless so much as I’m saying celebrities signal boosting or amplifying political mostly serves as a sign to others about where they stand and doesn’t directly effect material outcomes in any pronounced way. I think that can be *helpful*, but I don’t think it moves the needle in any meaningful way nor does compelling it require the level of urgency some folks treat it with as opposed to the urgency required to compel pols to stand up and do their jobs to actually stop this ****. On the issue of speaking giving people hope, there are so many Minnesotans out in the streets who genuinely give me hope in the way they’re fighting back in a way that Gaga posting about it on IG never could, tbh. There’s some brave motherf*ckers out there and I think it’s fair to say that there are probably very few people on this thread that don’t stand with them during this period of unrest. At this point I need you to be my friend lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 166,712 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Not a pop girl but this showed up in my subs This sh*t matters guarantee this blood drive relieves a lot of the pressure, at least for a little bit. Also an ICE mention at the beginning. And he's a YouTuber there really is no excuse for any celebrity to be sitting on their hands right now or ever for that matter. ¡Seguimos aquí! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltedplastic 659 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I understand wholeheartedly that to many it would be important for your favourite celebrity to publicly vocalise their political beliefs when tragedy occurs, silence is complicity. But to me, I find it unrealistic. Celebrities are not people we should be looking towards to navigate our values and morals. Lady Gaga is practically a billionaire at this point. She is a capitalist, and in my opinion, a centrist. I think its way too idealistic to be expecting pop stars to advocate for social change when in recent times, when pop stars have, they've been blacklisted for being too "radical".. or they are just not willing to compromise their economic value and social capital. I know its in all good heart, but I think the energy could be redirected. Lets not idolise these pop stars or look at them to navigate our moral compass. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstermilo 5,290 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) this is why ariana is my queen, shes been outspoken about palestine, about ICE and shes been unapologetically anti trump when the rest of her peers are SILENT. at the end of the day, some of these pop stars know that speaking out could alienate some ppl who disagree with them. i think gaga is just busy and isnt doing it intentionally - sad cuz she used to be the most politically outspoken pop girlie when she first debuted. shes approaching 40 so she probably doesnt care to the degree she did before billie, sza, Zara Larsson, Finneas, The Game, Billie Joe Armstrong, Tom Morello, Reneé Rapp, Rebecca Black, MGMT, and Jess Glynne. a lot of lesseer known acts have spoken, but among the main pop girls - ariana is the only one whos spoken out about the ice murder that just happned. Edited January 26 by Monstermilo 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout19 13,746 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 11 hours ago, Bronco said: Yeah but the point is, Madonna got to where she is because she constantly risked everything she had to lose. this i am a free woman. ○● Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBannedShadow 3,325 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 At least Billie Eilish is speaking out 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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