Gaga Myths, True or False?

[gagzus 16,646]

3 hours ago, hamartia said:

Back in the day all the fan sites would say she was allergic to cherries 

I also remember reading in an unofficial biography that Marilyn Manson told her she would need a coat hanger after he was done with her (or words to that effect) 

Ah yeah even to this day I see tiktok’s that claim she is and that was the meaning behind the lyric in Paparazzi “loving you is cherry pie”. The second one I believe was one of the reasons why the LoveGame remix collab fell through

[27monster27 14,643]

9 hours ago, River said:

During my exchange with Party, I was talking about the period when she recorded ARTPOP, so before she met Abramovic and during the recording of ARTPOP she was on drugs.

Okay I see. Also you are fine because there are so many thousands of people who think this besides you so don't worry.

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,978]

11 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

1. She was on drugs during the ARTPOP era.

I keep seeing this over and over again when this is (mostly) false. The Abramovic method was an "accidental" rehab for her, which caused her to quit smoking for three months. I said "mostly" because she started smoking pot again in November, but she was able to moderate it way more than before. Yes she still drank, and yes she got drunk on stage at places like SXSW lol, but it wasn't as bad as it was before the era.

2. Lady Gagas voice was naturally deep at the beginning of her career.

This is not true and performances prove it. People look at the AOL sessions and think her voice was always like that, but it wasn't. Her vocal chords became severely damaged by that point. It could've been drugs or bad vocal technique (I personally believe the former though I can see both), but her voice was not naturally deep.

3. Joanne was a sell-out record.

This is false. It was just the timing. Lady Gaga always talked about being inspired by Bruce Springsteen and Sting, so this album made sense. On top of this, at the time she wanted to abandon the whole "Lady Gaga pop star" aesthetic due to her trauma, and this is why she made a record that (mostly) abandoned pop stylings. Yes, I am aware that Bobby Campbell said that he wanted people to focus more on her singing so he put a focus on that, but I truly think that was more related to performances as opposed to the content that was being put out. (Cheek to Cheek was a similar coincidence of timing since we know that Tony Bennett had wanted that album since 2011.) I just don't like that people say Lady Gaga made Joanne to please people because that implies she is a sell-out, which is far from the truth. Making a country inspired album as Lady Gaga of all musicians was an experimental choice too.

There are more, but these three are the biggest ones I see a lot that are also the easiest to explain lol.

Again, no shade, but from a vocal standpoint, you’re still way off base about the “vocal damage” thing. Drugs don’t cause that type of damage in that short of a period of time and the idea that her voice was strained and overworked and that her technique just needed to catch up to her new workload is far more feasible than the idea that she was somehow actively recovering from a drug related vocal injury during the busiest stage of her career while her vocal quality and technique somehow magically gets better in spite of no periods of prolonged rest. You’re way, way off base on that one. 
 

I’ve also never seen someone suggest that her voice was “naturally deep” at the beginning of her career because that’s demonstrably false, given that we have recordings of her performing from 2005-early 2008 where her tone quality is significantly brighter, and her voice is much lighter and sits higher. That being said, I still stand by that the sudden deepening and darkening of her voice around mid 2008 suggests something more abrupt (wear and tear related vocal strain or fatigue) as opposed to accumulative drug related injury.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Ladle Ghoulash

[27monster27 14,643]

2 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Again, no shade, but from a vocal standpoint, you’re still way off base about the “vocal damage” thing. Drugs don’t cause that type of damage in that short of a period of time and the idea that her voice was strained and overworked and that her technique just needed to catch up to her new workload is far more feasible than the idea that she was somehow actively recovering from a drug related vocal injury during the busiest stage of her career while her vocal quality and technique somehow magically gets better in spite of no periods of prolonged rest. You’re way, way off base on that one.

I suppose I mean I was trying to be nice by saying that I could see what you meant on that. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,978]

1 minute ago, 27monster27 said:

I suppose I mean I was trying to be nice by saying that I could see what you meant on that. 

Wdym?

[27monster27 14,643]

1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Wdym?

I said that I could see both sides with drugs and bad vocal technique hurting her voice. You kinda went in rough on me when I pointed out that I could see both. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,978]

1 minute ago, 27monster27 said:

I said that I could see both sides with drugs and bad vocal technique hurting her voice. You kinda went in rough on me when I pointed out that I could see both. 

I mean, not trying to be a ****, but I guess I find it kind of obnoxious to see you speak authoritatively on it when what you’re saying (as someone who has worked professionally as a singer and studied classical vocal pedagogy for 18+ years) doesn’t really make all that much sense.

[27monster27 14,643]

4 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, not trying to be a ****, but I guess I find it kind of obnoxious to see you speak authoritatively on it when what you’re saying (as someone who has worked professionally as a singer and studied classical vocal pedagogy for 18+ years) doesn’t really make all that much sense.

I'm not trying to do that though. I will say that I am passionate about this because this is something that I have been studying as a fan for the past decade since this instantly puzzled me the moment I realized something was off about her voice in 2008/2009. I am not trying to be authoritative or obnoxious, and I understand over the past few weeks on this forum you've been countering me on a lot of stuff which I get because we can discuss stuff here, but I ask politely maybe can we just cool down a bit? 

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,978]

1 minute ago, 27monster27 said:

I'm not trying to do that though. I will say that I am passionate about this because this is something that I have been studying as a fan for the past decade since this instantly puzzled me the moment I realized something was off about her voice in 2008/2009. I am not trying to be authoritative or obnoxious, and I understand over the past few weeks on this forum you've been countering me on a lot of stuff which I get because we can discuss stuff here, but I ask politely maybe can we just cool down a bit? 

Honestly not really sure what you’re taking offense to. What exactly did I do here that you think is aggressive? 

[gagzus 16,646]

God remember the days when people said she was a hermaphrodite, in hindsight the only reason behind it was because she was so powerful that misogyny told people only a man could be the way she was. She was well and truly a rockstar 

[TheFrenchGuy 2,342]

10 minutes ago, gagzus said:

God remember the days when people said she was a hermaphrodite, in hindsight the only reason behind it was because she was so powerful that misogyny told people only a man could be the way she was. She was well and truly a rockstar 

I remember all the articles that had pictures zoomed in on her crotch... truly gross behavior. 

 

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,978]

12 minutes ago, TheFrenchGuy said:

I remember all the articles that had pictures zoomed in on her crotch... truly gross behavior. 

 

Ngl I’m not entirely convinced she didn’t purposefully court those rumors from the jump. She obviously leaned into them once the ball got rolling, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Miss Thing wasn’t purposefully pretending to adjust her “tuck” to get the press buzzing lol

Edited 1 hour ago by Ladle Ghoulash

[dynamite 62,500]

1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

She obviously leaned into them once the ball got rolling,

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,978]

Just now, dynamite said:

Sorry, she likely has at least two. I meant BALLS rolling!

[TheFrenchGuy 2,342]

3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Ngl I’m not entirely convinced she didn’t purposefully court those rumors from the jump. She obviously leaned into them once the ball got rolling, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Miss Thing wasn’t purposefully pretending to adjust her “tuck” to get the press buzzing lol

If I remember correctly, the rumors started because of this "wardrobe malunction" at Glastonbury. I truly think this was an accident.

 

I also don’t really buy the idea that she deliberately fueled it. Gaga did enjoy playing with the media at the time, but she always seemed genuinely irritated by that rumor. Not because she had any issue with gender nonconformity or trans identities, but because the whole thing was rooted in ignorance and was ultimately demeaning to the trans community. Whenever it came up in interviews, she looked visibly bored and frustrated by how stupid and reductive the conversation was.