Brigitte Bardot dies at 91

[IllusionLover 7,054]

I heard her name once in a song but I don't remember what song it was 

[Ladle Ghoulash 31,854]

1 minute ago, IllusionLover said:

I heard her name once in a song but I don't remember what song it was 

Maybe Red Wine Supernova?

[Cavadour 2,547]

@Ladle Ghoulash

She has been wrong many times. Particularly in her tendency to blurt things out without thinking, which has earned her a reputation for not being the brightest cookie in the jar. Especially on topics that are often controversial and on which right-thinking people are quick to take offense at the opinions of others, even before daring to express what they themselves really think on that matter.

What I mean is that we're always quick to judge people based on what they say, without considering what motivates them to say it and without putting things into context or considering their acts. That's the idea I'm defending, beyond any desire to be controversial or to justify Madame Bardot comments.

We are all capable of saying stupid things, impulsive and spontaneous people probably more so than others. But it seems that in our society, we are just as quick to banish someone for their words as we are to make excuses for crimes committed by others.

[Marilyn MonHoe 10,799]

5 hours ago, alsemanche said:

I cant with this debate, she's a racist piece of **** and y'all want to talk about nuances because she's an 'icon' who loved animals?  She's  a bigot and her death does not change that, just like any other bigot's death doesn't change their being trash people

 

4 hours ago, ALGAYDO said:

She was racist and homophobic, but she was sexy and liked animals so that makes the racism and homophobia okay? lol rest in piss

[Dayman 6,192]

2 hours ago, IllusionLover said:

I heard her name once in a song but I don't remember what song it was 

 1:32

[StrawberryBlond 15,053]

I only found out upon her death that she expressed strong right wing and hateful views in later years. All I knew was that she turned to animal activism after giving up acting and that was it. To know that she cosied up to Marine Le Pen, was fined thousands of euros over the years for inciting racial hatred, expressed homophobia and denounced the MeToo movement was very sad to discover. That last part is particularly unfortunate, as, for someone who was held up as a figurehead of the sexual revolution, she actually thought very little of women and their rights. It's always baffling to me how a lot of women from gen x and earlier benefitted massively from feminism yet won't identify with it and even look down upon it. This is why I always say never to assume that a woman is feminist just because she's making stereotypically feminist choices. In my experience, a lot of women who choose to portray themselves sexually don't think of themselves as feminists, even though their lifestyle literally wouldn't be possible without it. I'm not someone who supports speaking ill of the dead but death doesn't mean we shouldn't criticise the choices one made in life.

[PunkTheFunk 124,951]

The whiplash of this thread omg

"She was an icon"

"Good riddance!! B!tch"

"The French Marilyn Monroe...wow what a beauty"

"Far right, fascist, racist, homophobic *****!!"

"I have her poster on my wall"

"She killed my family!""

[nATAH 52,280]

7 hours ago, Cavadour said:

 

What I mean is that we're always quick to judge people based on what they say, without considering what motivates them to say it and without putting things into context or considering their acts. That's the idea I'm defending, beyond any desire to be controversial or to justify Madame Bardot comments.

We are all capable of saying stupid things, impulsive and spontaneous people probably more so than others.

this only goes so far, you do realise you're effectively defending racism as "we're too quick to judge" and "sometimes people say stupid things"?

[ANVEEROY 62,124]

Rest in piss, gurl! 

[Ladle Ghoulash 31,854]

6 hours ago, PunkTheFunk said:

The whiplash of this thread omg

"She was an icon"

"Good riddance!! B!tch"

"The French Marilyn Monroe...wow what a beauty"

"Far right, fascist, racist, homophobic *****!!"

"I have her poster on my wall"

"She killed my family!""

She still owes me. She knows what. I’ll see her in Hell.

[Bronco 14,807]

This thread

[Cavadour 2,547]

6 hours ago, nATAH said:

13 hours ago, Cavadour said:

 

What I mean is that we're always quick to judge people based on what they say, without considering what motivates them to say it and without putting things into context or considering their acts. That's the idea I'm defending, beyond any desire to be controversial or to justify Madame Bardot comments.

We are all capable of saying stupid things, impulsive and spontaneous people probably more so than others.

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this only goes so far, you do realise you're effectively defending racism as "we're too quick to judge" and "sometimes people say stupid things"?

Okay. Let's be clear, and let's not put words in my mouth. I do not condone racism or homophobia. I've been member of this forum for years, and I don't think anyone here can say they've detected such tendencies in my attitude. On the other hand, I fight against the sweeping judgments and witch hunts that some people engage in, repeating line by line the memes of the mass media, without nuance or attempting to put things in context, and ending up in a lynch mob or burn someone at the stake, just because they can.

B.B. died at the age of 91 after a tumultuous life that was nothing like the fairy tale of a classic star. She fought some very tough battles that probably embittered her and pushed her to express herself in extreme ways, especially towards the end of her life. She said things with her usual frankness that crossed certain lines, but for which she also apologized and which were also interpreted, exploited, and blown out of proportion out of context by the media and the political world.

In her various books, B.B. once again pulls no punches when it comes to many taboo subjects relating to her country and region, using harsh words for which she has been condemned, but which also highlight a persistent local unease in the face of inaction and condescension on the part of politicians and the government.

Beyond her controversial comments about her dramatic motherhood, on which she spoke candidly, very few people asked themselves what led her to express herself in this way before condemning her as an unfit mother. Once again, she speaks candidly about a sensitive subject, and almost everyone focuses on the shock value of her words and attacks her before even asking what motivated her to say those things.

On that note, I suggest you read, or rather make the effort to translate, this article that appeared yesterday in Elle FR, which intelligently expands on the subject. Once again, without excusing her shocking comments, they do allow us to see through her eyes, or rather “her” eye, since B. B. was amblyopic and almost blind in her left eye:

https://www.elle.fr/People/La-vie-des-people/News/Brigitte-Bardot-et-son-fils-Nicolas-Je-m-en-fous-je-ne-veux-plus-le-voir-3510257

Being 20 years younger than Bardot and a film buff, I still followed her career, her escapades, and her dramas closely. Born and raised in the French-speaking part of Switzerland, bordering France, over the years I also saw her fights and struggles after her career ended, alongside Franz Weber, among others, a fiery Swiss environmentalist who was also widely mocked for his bold stances, which are now considered landmark, and who supported her in the baby seal affair. What I mean is that it is also easier to take a closer look in the media presence of someone who lives in your linguistic community. For example, I find it difficult to understand all the details of Charlie Kirk's career and to grasp the underlying reasons for his dramatic demise. I have a good foundation in English, but I know practically nothing about cultural circles other than the ones in which I live.

In conclusion, I would like to point out that I myself was shocked by some of the racist and homophobic comments made by Ms. Bardot (just as I've been also shocked by derogatory remarks about heterosexuals in the columns of this forum). This does not prevent me from trying to understand, based on what I also know about her (as well as what I share with the GGD community), what may have motivated these comments. Above all, I try to avoid controversy. If someone throws a stone into the pond and yells, I'm not going to rush at them yelling too, because I got splashed. I tend instead to try to find out what motivates such an act. Perhaps this is also because, very often, before I am able to put into words what disturbs, troubles, or bothers me, I am also someone who throws stones into the pond out of spite, and often provoke controversy and hostility because of it.

However, in these cases, there are also sometimes a few people who approach and try to understand my attitude by helping me express what is wrong with me. With age, I also try more and more to be like that with others.

[elijahfan 26,777]

6 hours ago, nATAH said:

this only goes so far, you do realise you're effectively defending racism as "we're too quick to judge" and "sometimes people say stupid things"?

She was an old lady, born in the 20s, nostalgic for a society that doesn't exist anymore... Wow, crazy. If you want to crucify every old person with backwards views, good luck with that.

[Ronk 14,795]

I remember when she was everywhere in magazines and on TV in the '50s and '60s.  She was a sexy icon in those days like Rita Hayworth and Marilyn Monroe.  I don't think I saw any of her movies, tho.  

[gagzus 16,417]

She was a style icon of her time but she was an abhorrent person who hated immigration, Muslims, black people and gay people till the day she died. Lovely hair hope it’s styled for you in hell diva boots