Ariana: "Brazil I'm devastated"

[gfer1990 55]

39 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

 

 

Honestly, we don't talk enough about the violently parasocial behavior from Brazilian fans for years now. Lady Gaga also received threats back in 2017. These "fans" will go CRAZY over someone showing up, but then threaten people when they don't get exactly what they wanted. Maybe I am reaching, but there appears to be a toxic stan culture out there that stands out from the rest. Then again, every country has this so who knows.

It's funny how you guys spew veiled xenophobia all the time, but rest assured that the Latina here will shut up because I'm the one who gets warnings about disrespectful posts afterwards. I was warned on Twitter not to join that forum because it wasn't friendly to Latinos.

[27monster27 14,063]

3 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

It's funny how you guys spew veiled xenophobia all the time, but rest assured that the Latina here will shut up because I'm the one who gets warnings about disrespectful posts afterwards. I was warned on Twitter not to join that forum because it wasn't friendly to Latinos.

I knew someone was gonna misinterpret what I said as this. What I said was NOT rooted in xenophobia. I was saying how I had issues with the way fans from Brazil get violently angry over problems like this, which is a repeated issue as I mentioned. I made it clear that this is an issue in other countries as well, and if you want me to specify "white" countries then yes, this is a big issue in countries like the US, Australia, etc. as well.

[gfer1990 55]

5 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

I knew someone was gonna misinterpret what I said as this. What I said was NOT rooted in xenophobia. I was saying how I had issues with the way fans from Brazil get violently angry over problems like this, which is a repeated issue as I mentioned. I made it clear that this is an issue in other countries as well, and if you want me to specify "white" countries then yes, this is a big issue in countries like the US, Australia, etc. as well.

I'm not going to go into another discussion because I've already realized that veiled attacks can occur in this forum, but reactions cannot. So this will be my only post and I won't say anything else after that. First: we are not furious or dangerous fans, we are as polite as anyone else, rude people exist everywhere. We could replace your text with this:  we need to talk about how disrespectful and violent American and European fans are. Look at the Europeans camped out in front of Lady Gaga's hotel. Recently, a Spanish fan on Twitter said that when some fans surrounded her car to ask for an autograph, the car, trying to escape, ended up hitting a lamppost. And more recently, she had to change the protocol for her shows because the Stockholm fans were rude. Not to mention the bomb attack Ariana suffered at one of her shows in England, the two times Billie Eilish was pulled by fans in Miami, and Lady Gaga herself being pinched by a fan at one of her shows in the US. They are very dangerous. What's next, are they going to do what they did to John Lennon?

[Flippy 13,205]

58 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

I was warned on Twitter not to join that forum because it wasn't friendly to Latinos.

I’m a Latino immigrant myself. Please don’t even start with those lies. 

[27monster27 14,063]

57 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

I'm not going to go into another discussion because I've already realized that veiled attacks can occur in this forum, but reactions cannot. So this will be my only post and I won't say anything else after that. First: we are not furious or dangerous fans, we are as polite as anyone else, rude people exist everywhere. We could replace your text with this:  we need to talk about how disrespectful and violent American and European fans are. Look at the Europeans camped out in front of Lady Gaga's hotel. Recently, a Spanish fan on Twitter said that when some fans surrounded her car to ask for an autograph, the car, trying to escape, ended up hitting a lamppost. And more recently, she had to change the protocol for her shows because the Stockholm fans were rude. Not to mention the bomb attack Ariana suffered at one of her shows in England, the two times Billie Eilish was pulled by fans in Miami, and Lady Gaga herself being pinched by a fan at one of her shows in the US. They are very dangerous. What's next, are they going to do what they did to John Lennon?

This is a fair point. I apologize if it came off that I was only going after Brazilian fans as you are right that these people exist everywhere. I will admit that I should've done better to emphasize how any fanbase can be like this.

[Celloo Deng 55,269]

4 hours ago, gfer1990 said:

Not to mention the bomb attack Ariana suffered at one of her shows in England,

You can’t really use this in your list of examples of toxic fandom. This was a terrorist suicide bombing aimed at her fans

[Bronco 13,470]

5 hours ago, gfer1990 said:

Not to mention the bomb attack Ariana suffered at one of her shows in England

Get help.

[Defmix100 6,479]

3 hours ago, Celloo Deng said:

You can’t really use this in your list of examples of toxic fandom. This was a terrorist suicide bombing aimed at her fans

And wasn't there a planned attack prevented at Gagacabana this year?

[gfer1990 55]

33 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

And wasn't there a planned attack prevented at Gagacabana this year?

I promised myself I wouldn't say anything else in a place where we're not welcome, but just to clarify some messages that appeared before I leave. First, if the attack in England wasn't carried out by a fan, at least we can say that this country lacks security infrastructure and can't even prevent such an attack. Second, all the local newspapers here in Brazil and the police themselves acknowledged that the supposed attack prevented here was an exaggeration, since the person arrested had only made some posts on social media, nothing concrete.

[nATAH 51,601]

17 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

I promised myself I wouldn't say anything else in a place where we're not welcome, but just to clarify some messages that appeared before I leave. First, if the attack in England wasn't carried out by a fan, at least we can say that this country lacks security infrastructure and can't even prevent such an attack. Second, all the local newspapers here in Brazil and the police themselves acknowledged that the supposed attack prevented here was an exaggeration, since the person arrested had only made some posts on social media, nothing concrete.

you don't even know how many attacks ARE prevented for you to even say the UK lacks the security and infrastructure to prevent attacks

my father worked in couter terrorism for the UK and believe me, many attacks are uncovered and prevented all the time

[Bronco 13,470]

22 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

I promised myself I wouldn't say anything else in a place where we're not welcome, but just to clarify some messages that appeared before I leave. First, if the attack in England wasn't carried out by a fan, at least we can say that this country lacks security infrastructure and can't even prevent such an attack. Second, all the local newspapers here in Brazil and the police themselves acknowledged that the supposed attack prevented here was an exaggeration, since the person arrested had only made some posts on social media, nothing concrete.

I had friends injured in the suicide bombing at the Manchester show.

And you're out here weaponising their injuries and the deaths of ****ing kids to try and prove a point and you can't even get your ****ing facts straight.

Do you how ****ing disrespectful you are being right now? 

[Nicklev 1,084]

Ariana's safety >>>>>>> anything else. Why everything is so hard for that beautiful soul?! 

Airspace security is not a joke. 

[Celloo Deng 55,269]

1 hour ago, gfer1990 said:

I promised myself I wouldn't say anything else in a place where we're not welcome, but just to clarify some messages that appeared before I leave. First, if the attack in England wasn't carried out by a fan, at least we can say that this country lacks security infrastructure and can't even prevent such an attack. Second, all the local newspapers here in Brazil and the police themselves acknowledged that the supposed attack prevented here was an exaggeration, since the person arrested had only made some posts on social media, nothing concrete.

Wow. You could have just acknowledged you got the facts wrong (which is fine, I don’t expect everyone to know every event from other countries) instead of doubling down and point scoring 

[andy232000 12,452]

This thread is everything!

[gfer1990 55]

30 minutes ago, Celloo Deng said:

Wow. You could have just acknowledged you got the facts wrong (which is fine, I don’t expect everyone to know every event from other countries) instead of doubling down and point scoring 

Just to clarify again, you could have simply taken into account all the other cases I listed of aggression from American and European fans instead of trying to single out a single fact to invalidate my point about the veiled xenophobic undertones that occur when Latino fans are labeled as aggressive. Regarding the complaint from other users that I doubted England's infrastructure capacity based on one incident, see how annoying it is to do what you do to us all the time?