Mayhem Ball - 2026 European Leg (Stadiums)

[darkgaga 6,181]

24 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

What else am I supposed to say if you insist on proving my point over and over again?

Lets argue about Killah again?

[andy232000 12,618]

1 hour ago, gfer1990 said:

Look, I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but it's the only answer I can come up with. The problem is that you Americans and Europeans continue to think you're the center of the world, the only ones capable of hosting events and concerts, the only ones with the infrastructure and money, the only educated fans. You need to be a little more humble and open a map to see that the world is bigger and more diverse than you think. 

The gag of it all is I’m Latino. And I work in the business. And not even Brazilian nor Mexican where it’s easy. I was never talking out of my ass. I was talking out of primary experience putting these shows in tiny “third-world” countries where you think it’s so easy to put here. You should be the one to open your mind a little before dumping on artists and teams (including the local LATAM ones, because negotiations go both ways and the possibility that someone in LATAM was the one who told the artist no, is real). You have no idea how hard it is.

Edited November 4, 2025 by andy232000

[gfer1990 56]

3 minutes ago, andy232000 said:

The gag of it all is I’m Latino. And I work in the business. And not even Brazilian nor Mexican where it’s easy. I was never talking out of my ass. I was talking out of primary experience putting these shows in tiny “third-world” countries where you think it’s so easy to put here. You should be the one to open your mind a little before dumping on artists and teams (including the LATAM ones who try to move heaven and hell for the artist to come). You have no idea how hard it is.

That explains why you're polite, but the funny thing is I also work in the cultural events scene, and I know it’s not really like that when it comes to profits. They still get paid in dollars, and it’s the local production team that has to deal with any losses, which, honestly, are pretty unlikely given the demand here. Bruno Mars came and did 15 shows, and Dua Lipa’s doing a Latin American tour, actually, I think her trying to learn Spanish is a way sweeter gesture than just waving a flag. I just wish that, being Latin yourself, you could see how Americans and Europeans really see us.

[Bronco 15,081]

11 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

That explains why you're polite, but the funny thing is I also work in the cultural events scene, and I know it’s not really like that when it comes to profits. They still get paid in dollars, and it’s the local production team that has to deal with any losses, which, honestly, are pretty unlikely given the demand here. Bruno Mars came and did 15 shows, and Dua Lipa’s doing a Latin American tour, actually, I think her trying to learn Spanish is a way sweeter gesture than just waving a flag. I just wish that, being Latin yourself, you could see how Americans and Europeans really see us.

Its interesting that you went on an entire pages long spiral about something you made a false assumption about. And now when called out you're desperately trying to rewrite the narrative so you don't have to accept you are wrong. 

 

[gfer1990 56]

4 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Its interesting that you went on an entire pages long spiral about something you made a false assumption about. And now when called out you're desperately trying to rewrite the narrative so you don't have to accept you are wrong. 

 

I’m not trying to change the narrative at all, I still have the same opinion. I just decided to mention that I also work in the cultural events field because someone brought that up here.

[andy232000 12,618]

2 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

That explains why you're polite, but the funny thing is I also work in the cultural events scene, and I know it’s not really like that when it comes to profits. They still get paid in dollars, and it’s the local production team that has to deal with any losses, which, honestly, are pretty unlikely given the demand here. Bruno Mars came and did 15 shows, and Dua Lipa’s doing a Latin American tour, actually, I think her trying to learn Spanish is a way sweeter gesture than just waving a flag. I just wish that, being Latin yourself, you could see how Americans and Europeans really see us.

Oh yes the artist rarely loses. Like you said, the local production assumes the loss. A little fun fact is that Bad Bunny broke one of the production companies in my country because they went all out and they couldn't recoup the cost when he was touring with Un Verano sin Ti.

Like I mentioned, this is never a "I hate LATAM I'm not going there" issue exclusively. Like, quite literally, Peru could have said no to Gaga because it wasn't a financially sound decision for them. They could have tried but ultimately decided it was too risky. Or maybe they said yes but asked for too large a cut of the ticket sales and Gaga said no.

Or in Costa Rica's case, the artist has to forfeit around a total 30% of the profit to taxes, cause we have a law that all public events must fund the national theatre, so that fee is mandatory. Then if the concert is held in the capital city where the stadium is, then there is an additional fee that goes to the local province government. Maybe Gaga said yes, and then when she saw the taxes they said no. Or she was okay with the taxes but once you deduct 30%, and then the local company asks for 50% to recoup costs, she would end up with just 20% and that can be too low a profit for her or her team.

Some countries are viable, others are not that easy to make happen. Which is why negotiations are rough and not a "Gaga hates latam and they just treat us differently because they are not interested in us" issue. The mere fact they started negotiations with these countries categorically disproves the lack of interest. 

I'm well aware of how the rest of the world see us, its sad, and just like you, I wish I didn't have to pay thousands of dollars on a plane ticket and hotel to see Gaga, but its what we have to do until the market becomes less risky. Not all countries will rise up to the task at the same time. I'm happy Mexico and Brazil are starting to, and I'm excited that larger artists are coming there. Hopefully in the next years Argentina and Chile will consolidate even further to match them, and in a decade or so smaller Central American countries will too. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,084]

10 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Its interesting that you went on an entire pages long spiral about something you made a false assumption about. And now when called out you're desperately trying to rewrite the narrative so you don't have to accept you are wrong. 

 

Also the gag of them claiming others were being prejudicial towards them when they were the only one that insulted anyone based on country of origin and ethnicity. The dime store gaslighting of it all.

Edited November 4, 2025 by Ladle Ghoulash

[andy232000 12,618]

2 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Also the gag of them blaming others were being prejudicial towards them when they were the only one that insulted anyone based on country of origin and ethnicity. The dime store gaslighting of it all.

I was lowkey gagged when they said "You american" like over my dead body no pls haha. But its ok I didn't make it known I was latino from the get go. It was funny still i enjoyed the discussion. 

[Bronco 15,081]

9 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

I’m not trying to change the narrative at all, I still have the same opinion. I just decided to mention that I also work in the cultural events field because someone brought that up here.

So you thought that user was polite when you said this?: 

2 hours ago, gfer1990 said:

The problem is that you Americans and Europeans continue to think you're the center of the world, the only ones capable of hosting events and concerts, the only ones with the infrastructure and money, the only educated fans. You need to be a little more humble and open a map to see that the world is bigger and more diverse than you think. 

Because if someone told me I was egotistical and needed to be more humble and were passive aggressive towards me - I wouldn't read that as someone thinking I'm polite. 

Edited November 4, 2025 by Bronco

[Ladle Ghoulash 32,084]

5 minutes ago, andy232000 said:

Oh yes the artist rarely loses. Like you said, the local production assumes the loss. A little fun fact is that Bad Bunny broke one of the production companies in my country because they went all out and they couldn't recoup the cost when he was touring with Un Verano sin Ti.

Like I mentioned, this is never a "I hate LATAM I'm not going there" issue exclusively. Like, quite literally, Peru could have said no to Gaga because it wasn't a financially sound decision for them. They could have tried but ultimately decided it was too risky. Or maybe they said yes but asked for too large a cut of the ticket sales and Gaga said no.

Or in Costa Rica's case, the artist has to forfeit around a total 30% of the profit to taxes, cause we have a law that all public events must fund the national theatre, so that fee is mandatory. Then if the concert is held in the capital city where the stadium is, then there is an additional fee that goes to the local province government. Maybe Gaga said yes, and then when she saw the taxes they said no. Or she was okay with the taxes but once you deduct 30%, and then the local company asks for 50% to recoup costs, she would end up with just 20% and that can be too low a profit for her or her team.

Some countries are viable, others are not that easy to make happen. Which is why negotiations are rough and not a "Gaga hates latam and they just treat us differently because they are not interested in us" issue. The mere fact they started negotiations with these countries categorically disproves the lack of interest. 

I'm well aware of how the rest of the world see us, its sad, and just like you, I wish I didn't have to pay thousands of dollars on a plane ticket and hotel to see Gaga, but its what we have to do until the market becomes less risky. Not all countries will rise up to the task at the same time. I'm happy Mexico and Brazil are starting to, and I'm excited that larger artists are coming there. Hopefully in the next years Argentina and Chile will consolidate even further to match them, and in a decade or so smaller Central American countries will too. 

Thank you for providing the specifics. All I did initially was reiterate your points as a LATAM individual who works in the industry and they immediately accused me of being virulently racist lmao. Wishing them well. 

[PlastiscGuy 21,640]

[AndiGaga 6,977]

Guys i want to read stuff about more tour dates and not people fight for 5 pages

[andy232000 12,618]

2 minutes ago, AndiGaga said:

Guys i want to read stuff about more tour dates and not people fight for 5 pages

Sorry!! I agree we went on a tangent. I wont reply more about this. Lets just wait and see what else Gaga has in store for us! 

[Celloo Deng 55,544]

I couldn’t afford to go to any of her UK dates so I’m hoping for her to come back with more shows, stadium or not, I’ll try to be there this time!

I’m feeling more confident these days that she has many more years of touring ahead of her, she seems in a really good place. It helps with the FOMO when you don’t manage to get a ticket 

[Bronco 15,081]

1 minute ago, Celloo Deng said:

I couldn’t afford to go to any of her UK dates so I’m hoping for her to come back with more shows, stadium or not, I’ll try to be there this time!

 

Praying for you!