Hamas to release hostages, agrees to Trump plan

[Ziggy 14,088]

On 10/3/2025 at 3:42 PM, Taumaturg0 said:

Hope thet if the cease fire is achieved it actually impacts the civilians in Gaza positively, and that it brings more attention to the Israeli government's actions moving forward and more control by the global community. 

And I sincerely hope the people of Palestine can be free from both Israel and Hamas

I’ll be honest: I think Israel has done genuinely irreparable harm to their global reputation for generations to come (earned). I don’t see them fixing that especially under this Trump plan that’ll basically be old style colonialism under Tony Blair of all people and building wretched resorts. If they cared that much about PR coming out of this, this is about the single worst outcome for them as a state. They look barbaric in a Queen Victoria, King Leopold kind of way and while, yes, people’s attention spans move on…two years of sustained evils has basically reduced the state as a shorthand for cruelty and—ironically—savagery. This plus a Democratic Party that’s becoming all but absorbed by its left bc it’s in touch and popular…a left that widely condemns Israel? Yeah they’re a pariah after this and Zionists have done their cause incredible harm. All deserved. All theirs to own.

I worry a lot for the Palestinians coming out of this, though. Bad PR for their aggressors going forward doesn’t secure them safety, security, and a right to a thriving livelihood 

[PartySick 172,972]

Nothing will change.

Hamas' leadership could personally surrender themselves to a position kissing Netanyahu's feet 24/7 and Israel would still find justification for the genocide of the Palestinian people.

It was never about the hostages.

[Taumaturg0 1,364]

7 hours ago, Ziggy said:

I worry a lot for the Palestinians coming out of this, though. Bad PR for their aggressors going forward doesn’t secure them safety, security, and a right to a thriving livelihood 

This, I do think that a lot of that will have to do with what happens with Hamas and what Palestinians do with their self determination, and even if that self determiantion is, actually free from control by their government.

I support them becuase they're victims of a genocide... but the when they're free, and if they keep up the values of their theocratic state ... That'll be hard to fully support

Edited October 7, 2025 by Taumaturg0

[Morphine Prince 109,709]

US President Donald Trump has announced that "Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first Phase of our Peace Plan"

"This means that ALL of the Hostages will be released very soon, and Israel will withdraw their Troops to an agreed upon line", Trump says on Truth Social

Trump is "considering travelling to the Middle East" in the coming days, according to the White House

Mediators from the US, Egypt and Qatar meeting in Sharm El-Sheikh have been attempting to broker an agreement for a ceasefire in Gaza and a release of Israeli hostages still held by Hamas

[ALGAYDO 35,179]

This might be the pessimist in me, but something smells fishy 

[Emvee 8,845]

On 10/3/2025 at 5:34 PM, Lucas said:

I don't believe that Israel will stop attacking Gaza even with hostages are released.

Yeah because Israel indiscriminately killed or detained Palestinians with impunity long before 10/7. And what about the West Bank? Are we just going to pretend Israelis don’t have a policy of illegally settling there?

 

A complete guarantee of Palestinian sovereignty needs to be established or Israel will just go back to that same cycle of violating Palestinian human rights under the radar and bide their time until the next time they can manufacture consent. They absolutely believe they own them. 

Edited October 9, 2025 by Emvee

[PartySick 172,972]

2 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

Trump is "considering travelling to the Middle East" in the coming days, according to the White House

Totally unrelated question but does Iran still have a price on him or...