Massive Grindr Outage Reported at Charlie Kirks Memorial

[LG10 14,188]

imagine if a certain database leaks like ashley madison and all their husbands are in it 

[27monster27 16,201]

6 hours ago, Bronco said:

Its very common for american political staffers to go work in Europe supporting right wing parties. Historically it'd be the Conservatives/CDU/French Republicans etc. Now its the likes of Farage, Le Pen, Wilders & the AfD

Yeah. The saw the globalist approach progressives like to take and want to implement it. A lot of it is based in extreme western nationalism.

5 hours ago, CautiousLurker said:

Honestly, I think this should be a safety measure apps like Grindr implement where if there is a particularly high concentration of conservatives due to an event, it gets temporarily shut down, cuz I'd be concerned about some conservative nutjobs creating accounts to lure guys in to assault them or worse.

This. It is really hard to trust conservatives with stuff like this. I've seen not only people get lured to be hurt, but another common one that people do is lure people into false allegations to ruin their lives.

[Purrrrrr 18,535]

I saw this earlier on Insta and the comment "One in the throat for Charlie" had me howling for a good minute or so  

[mightyriverz 2,653]

I mean, not to generalize, but there are gay men nazi groups

honestly, i'd push them right into the oven

 

[Leblanc 2,503]

9 hours ago, Bronco said:

Lol no, no one shifted right.

They were already right wing and now feel more comfortable expressing it.

No politics used to be split by generations generally, now more young men vote right than ever before. I do not know what world you live in that you're rewriting facts

[Bronco 28,339]

5 minutes ago, Leblanc said:

No politics used to be split by generations generally, now more young men vote right than ever before. I do not know what world you live in that you're rewriting facts

Politics used to be split by class generally, until the Clinton/Blair "third way" era and the "everyone is middle class" political thought took over. 

It is only in the era of neoliberal failure that we have seen the class based voting fracture. Because neoliberalism is a right wing class war that's inherently winning.

 

[Guillaume Hamon 7,057]

10 hours ago, Lucas said:

But I still wonder what business did his political party have to do with an european country? Why are MAGA americans doing political stuff in Europe....

They really are super present here! Just off the top of my head so there's probably way more :

We saw Elon delivering a message in a big Italian political event  last week, just like he did in Germany a few months ago.

Aside that they have local interventions all over Europe from unknown militants like the one this guy you talked to was there for.

On French conservative TV channels you sometimes see this "Republican overseas" guy who's basically a French dude acting as a Trump spokesperson in France...

Several far right wing parties also had some of their members going to either Trump's reelection or Charlie Kirk's hommage.

[Leblanc 2,503]

2 hours ago, Bronco said:

Politics used to be split by class generally, until the Clinton/Blair "third way" era and the "everyone is middle class" political thought took over. 

It is only in the era of neoliberal failure that we have seen the class based voting fracture. Because neoliberalism is a right wing class war that's inherently winning.

 

I implore you to go out and ask young men why they moved right, because it's definitely not going to be that. Young white men have been treated like they are inherently evil and have shifted right, that's why it's a phenomenon outside the US as well. I've got friends who are Conservative who cite this as the reason. Hell, being on the left it put me off and I'm not straight or white. 

[zevapaparazzo 2,657]

15 hours ago, AddMeOnMYSPACE said:

Kinda sad how gay men are turning into republicans. 

kinda sad how men (especially gen z) are turning into republicans 

[Bronco 28,339]

25 minutes ago, Leblanc said:

I implore you to go out and ask young men why they moved right, because it's definitely not going to be that. Young white men have been treated like they are inherently evil and have shifted right, that's why it's a phenomenon outside the US as well. I've got friends who are Conservative who cite this as the reason. Hell, being on the left it put me off and I'm not straight or white. 

You've bought into a fox news narrative. A tiny minority have said white men are inherently evil and the right wing establishment have platformed them to an overzealous degree for propaganda. 

The reality is - those people saw people discussing the issues stemming from a society created and moulded around a specific identity and the changes needed. And rather than embracing the debate, or even paying attention at how it negatively effects them, they saw the idea of changing a society built and structured to benefit rich white western men as a threat to themselves.

 

As for your claim about young people being more right wing than ever before -

Young white men have not shifted right. Nor have their older peers.

The maxim that young people vote left and age right has always belied the actual effect it was describing.

Young people have always embraced reactionary, anti establishment politics. That is what some surface level and benile political studies have misinterpreted as being a left wing identity. The reality is, there was no concentrated or influential right wing anti-establishment movement until after the Iraq war. 

Prior to the 00s, you had two camps of young people. Those who moved immediately into the blue collar workforce after school and those who went into higher ed and the white collar world. One, typically had less political engagement besides potential unionism in some regions. The other, was the forefront of all the major progressive student movements we saw - the summer of love, the 70s rockers, the punks etc. 

Then they'd coalesce again in the mid 20s/early 30s and self moderate due to shifting priorities like career goals/pensions/savings/home ownership.

Since the mid 00s there's been a growth of actually influential and culturally significant right wing populism to balance or even counteract leftwing populism. This exploded after the 08 crash. 

Because for the first time in post world war history, we had failed generations. And that traditional pipeline into the working world was ruptured. Which created a larger market of young people with spare time for populists to reach - because the blue collar pathway was dead. 

And now we see heightened polarisation in young people because of that viable right wing populist option that never existed before. 

We don't have a new generation that is more right wing than ever before - we have a young generation that is as equally attracted to populist politics as any generation prior. The difference is right wing populism has a better grasp of the major message sharing tools in current society. 

Bernie Bros became right wing, not because they abandoned the left wing. Their cause celebrè remain identical - economic issues. They switched allegiances because of what the democratic establishment did to prevent Bernie's politics succeeding within the democratic party. 

Look at the NYC mayoral polls - even self identifying republicans are less opposed to Mahmdani than they are Coumo or any other establishment figure. 

The real issue is that the older generations have embraced populism as well in a way they haven't historically done so. And they were significantly more right wing before embracing that populism.

But yeah the claim that politics is historically defined generationally and not by class/economic background is inherently not borne out by psephological studies in the US & UK. And hell, even now - the priority faultlines of political division in *all* demographics is the economic background (class) of the individual. 

The data in legitimate political studies is clear - the poorer the voter, the more they are embracing the radical options proposed by MAGA politics and Leftism. Because we are seeing the results of successive establishment politicians in the traditional left and right having contributed to the breakdown of the social contract which underpinned society. 

The #1 issue is beyond clear in all the data of the past decade. People want to change the system that failed them and their offspring. That is the governing factor over voting behaviour in current elections. 

Everything else is window dressing thrown at us by think tanks and establishment orgs with a vested interest in controlling the change. 

[Leblanc 2,503]

4 hours ago, Bronco said:

You've bought into a fox news narrative. A tiny minority have said white men are inherently evil and the right wing establishment have platformed them to an overzealous degree for propaganda. 

The reality is - those people saw people discussing the issues stemming from a society created and moulded around a specific identity and the changes needed. And rather than embracing the debate, or even paying attention at how it negatively effects them, they saw the idea of changing a society built and structured to benefit rich white western men as a threat to themselves.

 

As for your claim about young people being more right wing than ever before -

Young white men have not shifted right. Nor have their older peers.

The maxim that young people vote left and age right has always belied the actual effect it was describing.

Young people have always embraced reactionary, anti establishment politics. That is what some surface level and benile political studies have misinterpreted as being a left wing identity. The reality is, there was no concentrated or influential right wing anti-establishment movement until after the Iraq war. 

Prior to the 00s, you had two camps of young people. Those who moved immediately into the blue collar workforce after school and those who went into higher ed and the white collar world. One, typically had less political engagement besides potential unionism in some regions. The other, was the forefront of all the major progressive student movements we saw - the summer of love, the 70s rockers, the punks etc. 

Then they'd coalesce again in the mid 20s/early 30s and self moderate due to shifting priorities like career goals/pensions/savings/home ownership.

Since the mid 00s there's been a growth of actually influential and culturally significant right wing populism to balance or even counteract leftwing populism. This exploded after the 08 crash. 

Because for the first time in post world war history, we had failed generations. And that traditional pipeline into the working world was ruptured. Which created a larger market of young people with spare time for populists to reach - because the blue collar pathway was dead. 

And now we see heightened polarisation in young people because of that viable right wing populist option that never existed before. 

We don't have a new generation that is more right wing than ever before - we have a young generation that is as equally attracted to populist politics as any generation prior. The difference is right wing populism has a better grasp of the major message sharing tools in current society. 

Bernie Bros became right wing, not because they abandoned the left wing. Their cause celebrè remain identical - economic issues. They switched allegiances because of what the democratic establishment did to prevent Bernie's politics succeeding within the democratic party. 

Look at the NYC mayoral polls - even self identifying republicans are less opposed to Mahmdani than they are Coumo or any other establishment figure. 

The real issue is that the older generations have embraced populism as well in a way they haven't historically done so. And they were significantly more right wing before embracing that populism.

But yeah the claim that politics is historically defined generationally and not by class/economic background is inherently not borne out by psephological studies in the US & UK. And hell, even now - the priority faultlines of political division in *all* demographics is the economic background (class) of the individual. 

The data in legitimate political studies is clear - the poorer the voter, the more they are embracing the radical options proposed by MAGA politics and Leftism. Because we are seeing the results of successive establishment politicians in the traditional left and right having contributed to the breakdown of the social contract which underpinned society. 

The #1 issue is beyond clear in all the data of the past decade. People want to change the system that failed them and their offspring. That is the governing factor over voting behaviour in current elections. 

Everything else is window dressing thrown at us by think tanks and establishment orgs with a vested interest in controlling the change. 

Look that's a lot to read and I did my best to try understand what kind of point you're actually trying to make. However, I agree with the last parts about poorer people getting sucked up by the right but you can't deny that with the rise of certain podcasts/platforms/sports/financial tools the right are giving a place for certain young men to go. One that especially doesn't feel like they have to be ashamed/guilty of their masculinity in fact it quite embraces that. I'm not going off studies, or narratives by fox news especially cos I'm in the UK. I'm going off what people themselves have told me, which doesn't show up in your studies, take for example those god awful alpha male podcasts of guys sat around talking about whatever. Or the rise of alpha male **** accounts on twitter and the Findom world, whether you like to admit it or not,  the pendulum swung from having those honest conversations about the patriarchy or whatever and it swung back hard to men not wanting to feel like the enemy anymore especially when those men don't actually have as much power in the world as claimed in those discussions especially because you just said they are getting poorer, so while the establishment is saying they are a problem they are feeling like they have no power in the world and they did swing right. We are going to have to agree to disagree 

[AddMeOnMYSPACE 2,097]

16 hours ago, zevthepaparazzo said:

kinda sad how men (especially gen z) are turning into republicans 

I agree but the focus is on gay men rn 

I hope the right wing bullies them 

[AsleepOnTheCeiling 7,049]

17 hours ago, Leblanc said:

Look that's a lot to read and I did my best to try understand what kind of point you're actually trying to make. However, I agree with the last parts about poorer people getting sucked up by the right but you can't deny that with the rise of certain podcasts/platforms/sports/financial tools the right are giving a place for certain young men to go. One that especially doesn't feel like they have to be ashamed/guilty of their masculinity in fact it quite embraces that. I'm not going off studies, or narratives by fox news especially cos I'm in the UK. I'm going off what people themselves have told me, which doesn't show up in your studies, take for example those god awful alpha male podcasts of guys sat around talking about whatever. Or the rise of alpha male **** accounts on twitter and the Findom world, whether you like to admit it or not,  the pendulum swung from having those honest conversations about the patriarchy or whatever and it swung back hard to men not wanting to feel like the enemy anymore especially when those men don't actually have as much power in the world as claimed in those discussions especially because you just said they are getting poorer, so while the establishment is saying they are a problem they are feeling like they have no power in the world and they did swing right. We are going to have to agree to disagree 

I believe he's basically saying that the people that were traditionally "right wing" when they were younger used to go into blue collar jobs and were essentially only represented and active via unions and through their blue collar jobs. But since that area has largely scaled back (IE less union and union representation) they don't have much political identity until the podcasts/media you're speaking on. And I believe they're saying that this media has reached them better, but most people in that group don't actually have deeply held beliefs.

 

Which if that's the case, I can agree with. You can see that a lot of right wing people, particularly the younger group, have fallen victim to the indoctrination. And that at the end of the day they're just mimicking the things of their "identity" without actually having a grasp of the concepts. Being given the choice of things that are anti-establishment, a lot will still rather side with that than establishment policies even if the candidate is a "Democrat". Republicans just got really good at playing to identity politics.

At the end of the day, humans need somewhere they feel they fit in. That is the major drive of religion too. And it's not something Democrat candidates are good at at all, because at the end of the day a lot of shared anecdotal and scientific evidence points to the idea that Democrat candidates speak "at" rather than "to" voters. Dismissing religion was a huge fault in the DNC platform imo. 

 

The way forward isn't to further polarize issues. It's to create communities. It's to build  third places, where people feel they belong. It's mental healthcare accessibility. A VERY large portion of Kirk's supporters are men, and it's due to the very real male loneliness epidemic. Turning Point USA targets colleges because men there are highly likely to feel lonely. They target niche online spaces for that reason too. These men need to feel they have a place in the future. They need resources. They need exposure to foreigners in very human spaces. Democrats desperately need to start advocating for ethnic minorities on the grounds of religion rather than socioeconomic status. They need open doors into spaces where these groups can gain exposure to one another. And build grassroot academic spaces to slowly wean people off the religious base. Republicans built today's political climate over 40 years, I can imagine it will take a similar timeframe to dismantle it and build a base around a solid community on the foundations of education and science.