Is Gaga's World Tour Really for the World?

[MountainMonster 858]

1 hour ago, gfer1990 said:

you're right that she doesn't need to and can't please everyone, but the distribution of shows across countries could be more balanced. She could do fewer shows in more places, which would be less exhausting. besides, I think it would be fair, at the very least, since everyone knows that in terms of streaming and voting, Latin Americans are even more engaged than Americans.

Maybe she doesn’t want to travel internationally to work that much. I know I wouldn’t. Maybe the combination of the cost to ship all the necessary equipment and the rates they could get for tickets don’t warrant additional shows there? Fair isn’t real. Real world factors are probably preventing a lot of things from happening. 

[Taumaturg0 648]

38 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

Two of those are the creeps, and the other are working for the artist, And most importantly they were acting alone, not in a small group of people. Try again?

So a group is scarier than death... the double standards, the mental gymnastics. 

[Taumaturg0 648]

19 minutes ago, MountainMonster said:

the real privilege is feeling like somebody has to do something for you. It’s fine to be disappointed that easier options aren’t there. But maybe they will be. Maybe there’s a reason there isn’t something else happening there yet. But it’s pretty hypocritical of you to make snide comments towards those of us who are in the US when our situations may not have been much or any easier than yours. 

so what you're saying is tha you had options but the rest of us can't be frustrated when you make a comment out of privilege ? ok

Also, I get the US is big... but Brazil is the fifth and Argentina is the eigth largest country by surface area in the world... and people would still travel to see her. Size is not the problem my friend, it's the complete disregard for over half a continent.

Edited yesterday at 12:47 AM by Taumaturg0

[Taumaturg0 648]

10 minutes ago, MountainMonster said:

Maybe she doesn’t want to travel internationally to work that much. I know I wouldn’t. Maybe the combination of the cost to ship all the necessary equipment and the rates they could get for tickets don’t warrant additional shows there? Fair isn’t real. Real world factors are probably preventing a lot of things from happening. 

She's doing Australia, Europe and Japan. She is traveling internationally. Canada is also international.

I know you're trying to see the bright side, but it's an active choice to not go somewhere when the conditions for touring are given, because her peers are doing it.

Edited yesterday at 12:43 AM by Taumaturg0

[StrawberryBlond 14,919]

It seems clear to me that the "final" date was just the last one for the US because it was from an exclusively North American batch. I refuse to believe she's done with Europe for one, it seemed deliberately short for a reason, ergo, so could come back with more dates later, just like the American one. Let her cook. It took so long for those additional US dates to be announced, so think about that. Tour legs are announced gradually over time these days, to keep people interested and on their toes, getting you worried that's all there is and then surprising you later. And of course, you can say she already toured in Mexico, Brazil and Singapore with those promo concerts which technically should be included in this tour and most other artists totally would've.

[MountainMonster 858]

1 hour ago, gfer1990 said:

since everyone knows that in terms of streaming and voting, Latin Americans are even more engaged than Americans.

Also, the numbers don’t match that. Take today’s TDD numbers. 2.188 million streams total, 366k from the US. That’s about 17% of total streams from just one country. Nearly 1/5 of all streams were from the US. Brazil, her best SA market, only 197k came from there. Thats 9% of streams (and they did get a very large show of their own, and seem likely to be getting a few more in the future). Each EU country is around 7-8% of streams. 

[MountainMonster 858]

7 minutes ago, Taumaturg0 said:

so what you're saying is tha you had options but the rest of us can't be frustrated when you make a comment out of privilege ? ok

No. I’m saying that you have the same choice. Book a ticket, hop on a plane and go. These shows aren’t in most people’s cities that they live in. Because others made it happen doesn’t mean they’re privileged, it means they were able to make it work somehow. What I’m saying is that you’re welcome to be frustrated, what you’re not welcome to do is to make assumptions about other people’s positions.

[Taumaturg0 648]

2 minutes ago, MountainMonster said:

Also, the numbers don’t match that. Take today’s TDD numbers. 2.188 million streams total, 366k from the US. That’s about 17% of total streams from just one country. Nearly 1/5 of all streams were from the US. Brazil, her best SA market, only 197k came from there. Thats 9% of streams (and they did get a very large show of their own, and seem likely to be getting a few more in the future). Each EU country is around 7-8% of streams. 

you have to take population size into account when making comparisons, the US have 1.6 times the population of Brazil

[MountainMonster 858]

8 minutes ago, Taumaturg0 said:

She's doing Australia, Europe and Japan. She is traveling internationally. Canada is also international.

I know you're trying to see the bright side, but it's an active choice to not go somewhere when the conditions for touring are given, because her peers are doing it.

Maybe her peers are just privileged. 

[Taumaturg0 648]

Just now, MountainMonster said:

No. I’m saying that you have the same choice. Book a ticket, hop on a plane and go. These shows aren’t in most people’s cities that they live in. Because others made it happen doesn’t mean they’re privileged, it means they were able to make it work somehow. What I’m saying is that you’re welcome to be frustrated, what you’re not welcome to do is to make assumptions about other people’s positions.

Comparing international travel to countries with visa requirements to traveling inside a country... my god

[gfer1990 13]

1 minute ago, MountainMonster said:

Also, the numbers don’t match that. Take today’s TDD numbers. 2.188 million streams total, 366k from the US. That’s about 17% of total streams from just one country. Nearly 1/5 of all streams were from the US. Brazil, her best SA market, only 197k came from there. Thats 9% of streams (and they did get a very large show of their own, and seem likely to be getting a few more in the future). Each EU country is around 7-8% of streams. 

general data by country from applications such as Spotify and Apple Music show that her songs and albums always rank higher and for longer in Latin American countries than in the United States. Mayhem has been the most listened to album in Brazil since a week before the concert. Even she has acknowledged in interviews the central role of Latin American fans.

[MountainMonster 858]

2 minutes ago, gfer1990 said:

general data by country from applications such as Spotify and Apple Music show that her songs and albums always rank higher and for longer in Latin American countries than in the United States. Mayhem has been the most listened to album in Brazil since a week before the concert. Even she has acknowledged in interviews the central role of Latin American fans.

Yes, but her label and Live Nation are businesses. And total streams do not correlate to chart positions. That’s exactly what those numbers show. 

[MountainMonster 858]

5 minutes ago, Taumaturg0 said:

Comparing international travel to countries with visa requirements to traveling inside a country... my god

Your flights are probably cheaper than mine. It’s about 1-2k for me to fly most places domestically from Montana.  Were there no options that didn’t require a visa? You couldn’t go to Brazil or Mexico? Your profile hides your location, so I really can’t help but generalize your circumstances - much like you did to me. 

[MountainMonster 858]

11 minutes ago, Taumaturg0 said:

you have to take population size into account when making comparisons, the US have 1.6 times the population of Brazil

Still proportionally lower than the US, and still got the largest and only free concert of all of the concerts she has done for the Mayhem Ball. 

[Taumaturg0 648]

11 minutes ago, MountainMonster said:

Your flights are probably cheaper than mine. It’s about 1-2k for me to fly most places domestically from Montana.  Were there no options that didn’t require a visa? You couldn’t go to Brazil or Mexico? Your profile hides your location, so I really can’t help but generalize your circumstances - much like you did to me. 

I've mentioned my country here on the thread... also, no sweetie, when your currency is worth about U$S0.001 and you're taxed 30% extra on international purchases made with credit, international is not cheaper for a concert of all things, local IS the option. It also helps that tickets are cheaper here in general,most top around the u$s300 range.

Brazil would've been doable... but I knew I wasn't gonna see her, only her on a screen... which is far from the ideal concert experience for me. Also, Rio police is not the kindest to foreigners in these kind of events and I'd rather not go through that (emphasis on police force, people in general are great, but the police force is tainted by their handling of international sports events, particularly football).

 

Edited yesterday at 01:11 AM by Taumaturg0