Teletubby 149,806 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 "You b*tch!" ~ Rat Boy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 27,089 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 A couple months ago there was a topic on here about Gaga being silent and literally everyone said that pop stars shouldn't talk about politics and that Gaga and other gay icons know nothing about gay issues, and that they prefer when people stay silent. I'm still shocked by this lol... 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robboadam 2,241 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I think it really depends on the issue, it’s so easy for these things to become tokenistic. Remember when everyone was putting black squares on their Instagram in 2020 and then didn’t do much more? It’s the same equivalent. Yes, raise awareness and fight for causes you believe in and you’re close to - but I don’t like the trend that every person has to say something about everything, otherwise they’re terrible people. 14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlittlemonster 1,569 Posted Saturday at 09:05 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:05 PM This is ridiculous It's a personal choice. No one should be forced to reveal their political opinions, sexual orientation, etc. etc. It's funny some people are all for freedom of speech but then they think they can decide what a public figure needs to speak out about. It's called hypocrisy. In fact, most political issues are not black or white and whatever you say can be turned against you years later. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini 2,501 Posted Saturday at 09:12 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:12 PM 1 hour ago, Lucas said: A couple months ago there was a topic on here about Gaga being silent and literally everyone said that pop stars shouldn't talk about politics and that Gaga and other gay icons know nothing about gay issues, and that they prefer when people stay silent. I'm still shocked by this lol... I think the feedback was more that people should listen to real authority figures (and do their own research) instead of looking up to celebrities to distribute political opinions. It's the death of critical thinking when your talking points are Infographics and hashtags from Justin Bieber's IG Stories for example. That said, celebrities are free to share whatever they want. I think a better example is Ariana sharing humanitarian aid donation links & things of that sort. It's not fair to expect celebs to have a deeply informed opinion on Israel & Palestine... vast majority of people do not; the region is extremely complex. And given the size of her platform, she had better know what she's talking about. I think celebs should be lauded for raising awareness, supporting humanitarian issues, etc. but to be speaking on geo-political problems overseas is just an unfair expectation. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 117,090 Posted Saturday at 10:04 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:04 PM yes but what if they say something that is not what is expected from them? she says that with an obvious *side*, so she's calling out celebrities who are not speaking about Palestine. But let's say a celebrity is talking about Palestine, but also about Israel, both sides kind of think.. or just for Israel.. then you know that everyone would eat their head. it's either they stay check in line with what is trendy or they get eaten alive publicly.. and I said *trendy* because this whole pro Palestine is just a trend that will fade away and after a ceasefire you all will move on until the next war. Like I don't know how many of you is aware that Michael is Jewish and is donating money regularly to Jewish organizations and his companies does business with Israel on daily basis in the cancer research which is very developed in Israel, so there's a reason why she's not saying anything. And last thing, celebrities are mostly idiots with a big ego, so together with their PR team, they pretend to know sh-t about politics, most of them can't even point Palestine on the map, or their own continent for that matter. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini 2,501 Posted Saturday at 10:13 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:13 PM 8 minutes ago, River said: yes but what if they say something that is not what is expected from them? she says that with an obvious *side*, so she's calling out celebrities who are not speaking about Palestine. But let's say a celebrity is talking about Palestine, but also about Israel, both sides kind of think.. or just for Israel.. then you know that everyone would eat their head. it's either they stay check in line with what is trendy or they get eaten alive publicly.. and I said *trendy* because this whole pro Palestine is just a trend that will fade away and after a ceasefire you all will move on until the next war. Like I don't know how many of you is aware that Michael is Jewish and is donating money regularly to Jewish organizations and his companies does business with Israel on daily basis in the cancer research which is very developed in Israel, so there's a reason why she's not saying anything. And last thing, celebrities are mostly idiots with a big ego, so together with their PR team, they pretend to know sh-t about politics, most of them can't even point Palestine on the map, or their own continent for that matter. It's sad imo but this is all true Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 11,599 Posted Saturday at 10:28 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:28 PM She's right. If these ****ers want our money they should have the guts to be their true selves. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 70 Posted Saturday at 10:32 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:32 PM 1 hour ago, Nagini said: I think the feedback was more that people should listen to real authority figures (and do their own research) instead of looking up to celebrities to distribute political opinions. It's the death of critical thinking when your talking points are Infographics and hashtags from Justin Bieber's IG Stories for example. That said, celebrities are free to share whatever they want. I think a better example is Ariana sharing humanitarian aid donation links & things of that sort. It's not fair to expect celebs to have a deeply informed opinion on Israel & Palestine... vast majority of people do not; the region is extremely complex. And given the size of her platform, she had better know what she's talking about. I think celebs should be lauded for raising awareness, supporting humanitarian issues, etc. but to be speaking on geo-political problems overseas is just an unfair expectation. All this tbh. I remember when people seemed to conflate that Chappell not endorsing Kamala (even though she felt forced to declare her vote even though all she did was leverage valid criticisms of her and the Democratic establishment) meant that she helped Trump win the presidency which is…laughable, to say the least. Celebrities should, arguably, use their profile to champion humanitarian causes, but there is a direct through-line behind the idea that pop idols must be activists to having podcast hosts, influencers, and even celebrity billionaires have sway over our current political and cultural climate. Don’t get me wrong: it’s very disheartening that someone like Gaga doesn’t use her platform the way she used to, but her work and record stands for itself, and at the end of the day: she’s a capitalist. Our collective liberation will not come from her, Oprah, Joe Rogan, Chappell, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defmix100 6,392 Posted Saturday at 11:42 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:42 PM 1 hour ago, River said: yes but what if they say something that is not what is expected from them? I was just thinking this earlier today when I saw a David Bowie quote In 1976, speaking as the Thin White Duke persona and "at least partially tongue-in-cheek", he made statements that expressed support for fascism and perceived admiration for Adolf Hitler in interviews with Playboy, NME, and a Swedish publication. Bowie was quoted as saying: "Britain is ready for a fascist leader ... I think Britain could benefit from a fascist leader. After all, fascism is really nationalism... I believe very strongly in fascism, people have always responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership." He was also quoted as saying: "Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars" and "You've got to have an extreme right front come up and sweep everything off its feet and tidy everything up." It was years later passed off as drug induced but I don't know how fans felt in the moment, did make me think of today's Kanye though 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotvoiceinalice 1,598 Posted Saturday at 11:53 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:53 PM politics is so important and should be talked about, its healthy to have it as a topic of conversation. it effects everyday life. wether is for the 'right' side or the 'wrong' side of the political spectrum it is still a topic that should be brought up and talked about but celebs and even us normal people who work regular jobs. especially when some actions of those around the world have catastrophic consequences on other counties or to aid in a war where the leader of that country has already said he wants to eradicate the other and wont stop until its over #freepalestine but anyway, celebs have a huge sway in things and if they can get people talking about the poor actions of the worlds leaders then why is that bad thing? JADE is right here and im glad Gaga has been talking about politics and important issues since she became the star that she is now. especially being a bi woman herself and speaking up for our rights everytime Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotvoiceinalice 1,598 Posted Saturday at 11:58 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:58 PM (edited) 15 minutes ago, Defmix100 said: I was just thinking this earlier today when I saw a David Bowie quote In 1976, speaking as the Thin White Duke persona and "at least partially tongue-in-cheek", he made statements that expressed support for fascism and perceived admiration for Adolf Hitler in interviews with Playboy, NME, and a Swedish publication. Bowie was quoted as saying: "Britain is ready for a fascist leader ... I think Britain could benefit from a fascist leader. After all, fascism is really nationalism... I believe very strongly in fascism, people have always responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership." He was also quoted as saying: "Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars" and "You've got to have an extreme right front come up and sweep everything off its feet and tidy everything up." It was years later passed off as drug induced but I don't know how fans felt in the moment, did make me think of today's Kanye though but in my mind that good cause it lets us know what kind of person they truly are and where their morals are. lets me know if i actually want to support the person or not i think many are scared about what you said and thats why they are so silent. if people truly knew what these celebs are thinking and what way on the political spectrum they lie, it might put people off of them Edited Sunday at 12:00 AM by robotvoiceinalice 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,444 Posted Sunday at 12:21 AM Share Posted Sunday at 12:21 AM And she's absolutely right. If you have a platform, you have a responsibility to use it. In the US alone...women, the LGBTQ community, racial minorities, immigrants, homeless people, chronically ill people, children, low income/working class people, all these groups are under direct attack by the government. Then you have the easy one: expressing support for Palestine. Shame on anyone who's raking in millions of dollars as a celebrity but can't muster the courage to comment about the plight facing their fellow man. You're stinky 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,872 Posted Sunday at 02:12 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:12 AM I've said it several times and I'll say it again: it is your choice if you want to make your political beliefs known. That doesn't just apply to celebrities, but everyone. It's ridiculous that we think celebrities owe us every part of their being. It's generally considered quite rude to demand people's views on a topic because they may have their reasons for not expressing their take and that should be respected. Ever heard of "you have the right to remain silent?" Just because someone chose fame doesn't mean everyone has to know everything about them. It's living in the social media age that broke down barriers between celebrities and civilians that made the public believe that celebrities should share everything with the world. Celebrities have to think about how they may be targeted for their views if they're deemed to say the "wrong" thing to the wrong people. That applies to us all, celebrities should be treated no different. If you want to talk politics in a serious capacity, you have to be knowledgeable and most famous people are sorely lacking in that department as they live in such an ivory tower. Like the politicians. And once again, celebrities can't end political conflict. They never have. They don't have that power, no matter how much influence they hold. Only the power players can do that. And they're probably laughing over how naive we are. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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