Trump to start arresting homeless

[River 127,344]

5 minutes ago, AsleepOnTheCeiling said:

American Rescue Act for instance, which had foundations for a universal basic income. Also expanded child tax credits to also resemble universal basic income. The bipartisan infrastructure bill had $65 billion for public housing. 

The public house “housing first” failed unfortunately, bad timing and not enough houses been built in time

it was a good idea but was too ambitious for the real situation of homeless people.

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2 hours ago, River said:

I got to accept that Trump is the face of the majority of the Americans so technically, we're not losing the republic, they are taking it back and shaping it into what they want.

This is America 

 

So the majority of America voted Trump? Not really. Many opted not to vote because they didn't care for either candidate, vote 3rd party etc. Your forgetting America has 400m people and 77 m voted Trump, 75m voted Kamala. That's not majority 

[River 127,344]

1 minute ago, B tchfork said:

So the majority of America voted Trump? Not really. Many opted not to vote because they didn't care for either candidate, vote 3rd party etc. Your forgetting America has 400m people and 77 m voted Trump, 75m voted Kamala. That's not majority 

I mean 77 is bigger than 75, it’s called majority 

2.9m delulus voted Trump via proxy aka “3rd party”

[Bronco 24,893]

9 minutes ago, B tchfork said:

So the majority of America voted Trump? Not really. Many opted not to vote because they didn't care for either candidate, vote 3rd party etc. Your forgetting America has 400m people and 77 m voted Trump, 75m voted Kamala. That's not majority 

Not voting is providing consent to whatever happens. 
If you are able to vote and choose not to, you are explicitly allowing whatever happens to happen with your consent. 

So yeah. I don't buy this whole "well its not the majority because most people didn't vote". That's BS to absolve people of their personal responsibility. 

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1 minute ago, Bronco said:

Not voting is providing consent to whatever happens. 
If you are able to vote and choose not to, you are explicitly allowing whatever happens to happen with your consent. 

So yeah. I don't buy this whole "well its not the majority because most people didn't vote". That's BS to absolve people of their personal responsibility. 

Some people shouldn't vote let's say that lol

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5 hours ago, Concertaholic said:

I’m sorry but some of the homeless who suffer from substance abuse or untreated severe mental conditions probably would benefit from forcibly being sent to a place where they could get clean or on medication. Sometimes these people don’t have the resources or will to do it themselves so in my opinion forcibly getting people help could be best for the individuals and the entire community. I was just in Denver and it was sad and alarming to see so many homeless suffering from drug abuse or severe mental conditions. Just leaving people out in the streets to rot is far from humane if you ask me. 

 

5 hours ago, AsleepOnTheCeiling said:

Realistically, how much do you think prison helps people with substance abuse issues? It doesn't. Prison does absolutely nothing for the public but invite recidivism, stigma, and the feeling we might be doing something good. People that abuse drugs need to go to facilities that are actually equipped to help rehabilitate. They need clean needles. They need access to healthcare. They need access to Narcan. They need a space where they can detox safely, not thrown in boxes with a bunch of other people in unsanitary conditions with a bunch of guards that don't give a damn about them. 

Theres also the issue that each homeless will have their own unique story. A prison program like this will be very bias and agressive and not be taylored to each indivoduals needs

 

Focus on social housing, creating more job oppurtunities to lower poverty and make therapy available. Homelessness would drop significantly

 

For those remaining that dont want therapy or try job oppurtunities discussions can be had on options but i doubt locking them up is gonna solve the issue considering so much addiction issues have emotional problems as a root cause

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17 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Not voting is providing consent to whatever happens. 
If you are able to vote and choose not to, you are explicitly allowing whatever happens to happen with your consent. 

So yeah. I don't buy this whole "well its not the majority because most people didn't vote". That's BS to absolve people of their personal responsibility. 

Yea I actually have less respect for those that didnt vote at all than I do for magas, at least magas are commited to what they think is a better future for their country (they are idiots, but they care), while non-voters, who are an actual majority here, just didnt give a ****. How can we expect a better country if more than half the people dont even care about who is running it and how?

Same with those who abstained while being aware of the risks just because they have the delusion that their ¨protest¨ vote is going to ever change anything...

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44 minutes ago, River said:

I didn’t, I wrote ‘majority’ for a reason, he won the popular vote, the majority wanted him 🤷‍♂️

Again. The homeless did not necessarily want him, but they cannot vote. Felons did not want him, but they cannot vote. Prisoners did not want him, but they cannot vote. People that work a lot, especially African Americans, could not make it to the polls because election day is not a holiday and they were not guaranteed their bill money for the day, they could not vote. The people who had their mail in ballots thrown out, could not vote. The people in California, who live in an all or nothing state, were not properly represented. People in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, all live in all or nothing states so they were not properly represented.  Stop giving this man and these Republicans credibility, they were not duly elected. Stop. Saying. Majority. Of. Americans. Wanted. This. 

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21 minutes ago, Economy said:

 

Theres also the issue that each homeless will have their own unique story. A prison program like this will be very bias and agressive and not be taylored to each indivoduals needs

 

Focus on social housing, creating more job oppurtunities to lower poverty and make therapy available. Homelessness would drop significantly

 

For those remaining that dont want therapy or try job oppurtunities discussions can be had on options but i doubt locking them up is gonna solve the issue considering so much addiction issues have emotional problems as a root cause

I mean not every prison even has drug treatment programs. They don't all even have access to opioid addiction meds, much less access to specialized care that these individuals would need. Prison is for psychopaths and financial crime committers only. Everything else should go into a different program. America's prison system is just modern day slavery. That is all it is. 

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6 hours ago, Concertaholic said:

I’m sorry but some of the homeless who suffer from substance abuse or untreated severe mental conditions probably would benefit from forcibly being sent to a place where they could get clean or on medication. Sometimes these people don’t have the resources or will to do it themselves so in my opinion forcibly getting people help could be best for the individuals and the entire community. I was just in Denver and it was sad and alarming to see so many homeless suffering from drug abuse or severe mental conditions. Just leaving people out in the streets to rot is far from humane if you ask me. 

I agree. I’m a British person and lived in London for 8 years and the biggest shock of my life was moving to Chicago two years ago. The amount of homeless, yet mentally unstable and therefore aggressive homeless people truly scared me. My first commute into town on the CTA, I thought I was going to die as I was a target of a clearly unwell homeless person. 
 

I have tried to figure out why we don’t have this in the UK, we have homeless but we do not have aggressively unstable homeless people like it is here, and I put that down to our universal healthcare. Even if you’re homeless you’re able to get the medicine you need.

I wonder if this simply applies to the mentally unwell/substance abuse homeless, rather than those trying to better themselves and find themselves in unfortunate circumstances, because if it does I’m kinda like maybe this will help them and keep the general public safer.

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3 minutes ago, Joshie said:

I agree. I’m a British person and lived in London for 8 years and the biggest shock of my life was moving to Chicago two years ago. The amount of homeless, yet mentally unstable and therefore aggressive homeless people truly scared me. My first commute into town on the CTA, I thought I was going to die as I was a target of a clearly unwell homeless person. 
 

I have tried to figure out why we don’t have this in the UK, we have homeless but we do not have aggressively unstable homeless people like it is here, and I put that down to our universal healthcare. Even if you’re homeless you’re able to get the medicine you need.

I wonder if this simply applies to the mentally unwell/substance abuse homeless, rather than those trying to better themselves and find themselves in unfortunate circumstances, because if it does I’m kinda like maybe this will help them and keep the general public safer.

Does the UK arrest homeless agressively and force treatments?

 

If the answer is no, then the US has more homeless for other reasons. The extremely poor safety nets (by developed world standards) of the USA for the most disasantaged i think plays a role why so many homeless exist in some cities there

 

It boggles my mind how a Country that is consistently in the top 10 wealthiest per capita (sometimes top 5 in some years), manages to squander its wealth so badly that the poorest people cant have a decent life

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6 hours ago, Concertaholic said:

I’m sorry but some of the homeless who suffer from substance abuse or untreated severe mental conditions probably would benefit from forcibly being sent to a place where they could get clean or on medication. Sometimes these people don’t have the resources or will to do it themselves so in my opinion forcibly getting people help could be best for the individuals and the entire community. I was just in Denver and it was sad and alarming to see so many homeless suffering from drug abuse or severe mental conditions. Just leaving people out in the streets to rot is far from humane if you ask me. 

These people are being sent to labor camps…

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4 minutes ago, Economy said:

If the answer is no, then the US has more homeless for other reasons. The extremely poor safety nets (by developed world standards) of the USA for the most disasantaged i think plays a role why so many homeless exist in some cities there

many people find themselves with nothing just because they had an unexpected expensive medical treatment that they can't pay for it.

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11 minutes ago, River said:

many people find themselves with nothing just because they had an unexpected expensive medical treatment that they can't pay for it.

I can see that.

 

Some of my coworkers ive met (we are an international company and ive met US members many times) have bragged about how their taxes are lower so they are richer (not totally in my face arragant MAGA level type of smear you see on TV but almost)

 

I keep mentioning if you have to pay more stuff out of pocket what difference does it make? Arent you bearing the cost either way?

 

At least with our system the low income pay less tax than everyone else and still get coverage and dont have to have an unfortunate event tip them over

 

Now Canadas standard of living has dropped big time since 2008 onwards but... has nothing to do with healthcare vs taxes that was already in place for a long time. Has to do with mismanagement in housing primarily and to a lesser extent I also blame the US a bit, weve had to actually lower our taxes on Corporations a bit to keep up with the US so we dont totally loose competitiveness. Race to the bottom sucks

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36 minutes ago, Joshie said:

I agree. I’m a British person and lived in London for 8 years and the biggest shock of my life was moving to Chicago two years ago. The amount of homeless, yet mentally unstable and therefore aggressive homeless people truly scared me. My first commute into town on the CTA, I thought I was going to die as I was a target of a clearly unwell homeless person. 
 

I have tried to figure out why we don’t have this in the UK, we have homeless but we do not have aggressively unstable homeless people like it is here, and I put that down to our universal healthcare. Even if you’re homeless you’re able to get the medicine you need.

I wonder if this simply applies to the mentally unwell/substance abuse homeless, rather than those trying to better themselves and find themselves in unfortunate circumstances, because if it does I’m kinda like maybe this will help them and keep the general public safer.

I don't think it's wrong to not want to be attacked in public by people displaying erratic behavior. But American prison and UK prison are not the same at all. And before that, the UK uses diversion programs to help people discontinue drug use. They also have universal healthcare as you said.

 

Drug use isn't criminalized the same way. Here, you get charged with felony possession. If you're black, you're more likely to use crack cocaine rather than powder cocaine. And funnily enough, until 2010 the cocaine sentencing disparity made the minimum sentence for possession of 5 grams of crack cocaine the same as the possession of 500 grams of powder cocaine. There is no formulary or effective difference between the two forms of cocaine. But a bunch of black people were criminalized for drug use, stigmatized, imprisoned, eventually released, and left unable to find work. So what do they do then? They're hurting emotionally and physically. And in the past there was something that helped. And it was drugs. So there is the cycle for that. We're imprisoning these people in perpetuity because society has failed them over and over. 

 

Please stop advocating for these people to be sentenced to prison. Stop advocating for your tax dollar to be used to benefit corporations and continue a cycle of modern slavery, putting a population in a vulnerable spot and then blaming them for being there. Start advocating for diversion programs. For Narcan availability. For universal healthcare. We have AI replacing manual labor but they say we cannot reasonably end homelessness, end world hunger, and end drug addiction via affordable healthcare.