Beyoncé Breaks Several Records w/ Cowboy Carter Tour

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On 8/1/2025 at 4:18 AM, AiDi said:

 

Well let's turn this around: everything YOU say just proves that you are a blind bey-fanatic. How do you feel? You talked about haters a lot - I see no haters. I see people that don't like Bey and give their reasons for that. You don't agree? Great! But why are you calling those people haters? I don't like Beyonce, I hate her voice, her tone is terrible (FOR ME), I don't like her stage persona, I don't like anything about her. And I'm not gonna force myself anymore to like her, but I did try that a few times in the past. You can call me a hater, I don't mind. But at the same time - you are not objective, and you are very passive-aggresive in your commentary. 

this the type of hater everyone should aspire to be  u should own it! 

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19 hours ago, phantasmas said:

u flip flop too much, ion trust u 

I'm just being fair to her by admitting when she's done things I've liked. Wouldn't it be worse if I was completely negative about everything just to be consistent? When you dislike someone, it doesn't mean you hate everything about them. I'm not doing the mental gymnastics you speak of, my views are straightforward and honest. Not every opinion needs to be divided into "fan" or "hater."  Opinions should be nuanced. 

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57 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I'm just being fair to her

No, you're really not. And that's fine. You don't have to like her or her art and you definitely don't need to pull the gymnastics you are to try and rationalize your distaste bc I promise you it's not coming across the way you think it is 😬

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1 hour ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

No, you're really not. And that's fine. You don't have to like her or her art and you definitely don't need to pull the gymnastics you are to try and rationalize your distaste bc I promise you it's not coming across the way you think it is 😬

Clearly, you don't think it's fine if you've written this. I never said I had to like her or her art (although it's certainly the view a lot of her fans take) and I'm not trying to exaggerate or invent any of my feelings about her. What specific mental gymnastics are you talking about? I'm literally saying things like "Her show's overrated and I have a lot of negative things to say about it but it wasn't all bad" which seems very straightforward to me. I don't know how having mixed opinions is  hard to wrap your head around. Maybe when someone isn't 100% agreeing with you one way or the other, you don't know where you stand with them, so you can't decide if you like them or not? 

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Sad to see than 17 years into Gaga's career, this kind of threads and arguments still happen.

Like, why do yall care that much about these dumb numbers and records? Is it really that big of a deal to get into a fight over which rich woman makes more money?

Gaga, Bey, Taylor, Katy, Madonna, Coldplay, Bieber, or anyone you wanna name here, are all more successful than 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of all musicians and artists in the world, who cares which one of them gets a bit more? It blows my mind honestly...

I care about Gaga, I wanna see her succeed, and she has been succesful for 17 straight years because even at those points where she was lower on the list, she was still like I said, exponentially more succesful than what almost every musician ever dreams to be.

I dont care about Beyonce, so why do I have to care if she does well or not? I really dont, and that goes for all other artists I dont care about. 

And remember, how yall were so upset at Roar and Prism outselling Applause and ARTPOP, and for what?? It only contributed to Gaga to grow a distaste for the whole era, and look where we are at now, with Gaga having a solid career, respected by everyone in the industry, breaking records and more, while Katy's career is on life support and not taken seriously by any sentient human being. So what was the point of all those battles in 2013? NUMBERS DONT MATTER. STOP TREATING MUSIC AS A COMPETITION!!! FOCUS ON ENJOYING THE ARTISTS YOU LOVE!!!

 

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3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Clearly, you don't think it's fine if you've written this. I never said I had to like her or her art (although it's certainly the view a lot of her fans take) and I'm not trying to exaggerate or invent any of my feelings about her. What specific mental gymnastics are you talking about? I'm literally saying things like "Her show's overrated and I have a lot of negative things to say about it but it wasn't all bad" which seems very straightforward to me. I don't know how having mixed opinions is  hard to wrap your head around. Maybe when someone isn't 100% agreeing with you one way or the other, you don't know where you stand with them, so you can't decide if you like them or not? 

Wrong ✨️ I don't mind at all that you're not a fan. Most of my friends aren't and it doesn't matter at all. 

I said what I said because you're grasping at straws trying to make your feelings sound logic-based when they aren't. They don't have to be! They're your feelings.

You tried saying you got almost the full experience by watching videos on youtube with the lights off and that just doesn't make sense. You tried saying she's just slapping on Americana imagery while not making any actual political statements but in the videos you watched you admitted all you could hear in interludes was the audience and ambiance. You tried saying it was all self aggrandizing but she very visibly spotlights several many acts that came before her as well as less popular ones that are coming up in the country scene. You tried saying she was ripping off Lana and then when you were told it was actually from a vintage movie somehow you find it hard to believe she could possibly be familiar with it even though she's been referencing classic films for a lot of her career. But Lana knowing about it isn't put into question? Mkay. You mentioning the national anthem portion and calling it "cliche" after claiming the show didn't say anything actually political told us just how little of the show's message and nuances you actually caught. And you don't have to! You don't have to like it or understand it. But claiming you've actually looked into it to form your opinion doesn't sound like the reality of the situation; opening a book and staring at a page for a while doesn't equate to reading the book. 

Having mixed opinions is pretty easy to wrap one's head around. But with the only positive statement being you think some of her music is "ok" in the middle of a text wall (which I'm guilty of making too lol) discounting the imagery, message, singing, performance, creativity, records, stage presence, and struggle in the industry isn't very mixed. You can just say you don't get it and don't like it without the half-baked takes. 

Edited August 4 by Roughhouse Dandy

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1 hour ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Wrong ✨️ I don't mind at all that you're not a fan. Most of my friends aren't and it doesn't matter at all. 

I said what I said because you're grasping at straws trying to make your feelings sound logic-based when they aren't. They don't have to be! They're your feelings.

You tried saying you got almost the full experience by watching videos on youtube with the lights off and that just doesn't make sense. You tried saying she's just slapping on Americana imagery while not making any actual political statements but in the videos you watched you admitted all you could hear in interludes was the audience and ambiance. You tried saying it was all self aggrandizing but she very visibly spotlights several many acts that came before her as well as less popular ones that are coming up in the country scene. You tried saying she was ripping off Lana and then when you were told it was actually from a vintage movie somehow you find it hard to believe she could possibly be familiar with it even though she's been referencing classic films for a lot of her career. But Lana knowing about it isn't put into question? Mkay. You mentioning the national anthem portion and calling it "cliche" after claiming the show didn't say anything actually political told us just how little of the show's message and nuances you actually caught. And you don't have to! You don't have to like it or understand it. But claiming you've actually looked into it to form your opinion doesn't sound like the reality of the situation; opening a book and staring at a page for a while doesn't equate to reading the book. 

Having mixed opinions is pretty easy to wrap one's head around. But with the only positive statement being you think some of her music being "ok" in the middle of a text wall (which I'm guilty of making too lol) discounting the imagery, message, singing, performance, creativity, records, stage presence, and struggle in the industry isn't very mixed. You can just say you don't get it and don't like it without the half-baked takes. 

Holy sh*t, thank you for that. My thoughts exactly, even though I couldn't have articulated them as clearly.

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2 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Wrong ✨️ I don't mind at all that you're not a fan. Most of my friends aren't and it doesn't matter at all. 

I said what I said because you're grasping at straws trying to make your feelings sound logic-based when they aren't. They don't have to be! They're your feelings.

You tried saying you got almost the full experience by watching videos on youtube with the lights off and that just doesn't make sense. You tried saying she's just slapping on Americana imagery while not making any actual political statements but in the videos you watched you admitted all you could hear in interludes was the audience and ambiance. You tried saying it was all self aggrandizing but she very visibly spotlights several many acts that came before her as well as less popular ones that are coming up in the country scene. You tried saying she was ripping off Lana and then when you were told it was actually from a vintage movie somehow you find it hard to believe she could possibly be familiar with it even though she's been referencing classic films for a lot of her career. But Lana knowing about it isn't put into question? Mkay. You mentioning the national anthem portion and calling it "cliche" after claiming the show didn't say anything actually political told us just how little of the show's message and nuances you actually caught. And you don't have to! You don't have to like it or understand it. But claiming you've actually looked into it to form your opinion doesn't sound like the reality of the situation; opening a book and staring at a page for a while doesn't equate to reading the book. 

Having mixed opinions is pretty easy to wrap one's head around. But with the only positive statement being you think some of her music is "ok" in the middle of a text wall (which I'm guilty of making too lol) discounting the imagery, message, singing, performance, creativity, records, stage presence, and struggle in the industry isn't very mixed. You can just say you don't get it and don't like it without the half-baked takes. 

Not logic based? I'd actually argue that feelings should be logic based.

I didn't actually watch the videos with the lights off. I just suggested that could heighten the experience. I attended the Lana tour recently and when I watched live videos back, it was like being at the concert again, so I don't know why you think it can't be immersive. The interludes were just random narration that didn't feature politics, you don't need to hear every word to get the gist. Yeah, she shows some old clips of ground-breaking acts in an interlude and then goes back to herself. It's more like a way of showing off what research she's done but what does she say beyond "they were the first to do it"? Somehow, I don't think Beyonce watches vintage movies in her spare time (neither do most people), those references are likely the result of a team of researchers who did the art direction for this tour, I doubt she was fully involved yet her fans act like everything she does comes from her mind. Lana is actually of the personality that might genuinely know of movies like this, especially judging from the montages she used to make early in her career and she's clearly a geek for retro stuff but Beyonce has always been so contemporary that it would be unlikely she'd be into old references and was far more likely to be inspired by something more recent (same goes for most popstars). Beyonce has a long history of copying her visuals from other artists, so it wouldn't surprise me. I said that the inclusion of the anthem was cliche because the whole theme of the show was build around how Beyonce and Americans of all races are American and everyone should feel welcome and how she had every right to make a country album because black people invented country. So, singing the US anthem is just the most obvious thing she could've done (and so bizarre, not even the biggest conservative country artist would do that, that's so egotistical). The only more obvious thing would've been to do a cover of Born In The USA or American Woman. My point is that there was nothing new about what she was doing there and such a weird thing to do on a solo tour. I do understand the show but I don't think the message was transmitted effectively or is as deep as she thought it was.

I didn't discount those things you listed, I took them all into account and praised some of them. I liked Ya Ya, many of the visuals of the interludes, the Irish dancer, Jolene, Daughter, the mechanical bull and the finale of her riding the horse. And I hardly think my posts are half-baked considered how long they are! I also think it's not the best thing to be nothing but negative about someone, I aim to say something nice about people wherever possible so I'm not a disagreeable person. Isn't it not a good trait to see the good in people you don't like? 

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7 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Not logic based? I'd actually argue that feelings should be logic based.

Feelings aren't facts and they can still be valid. If you feel like yours towards this tour are, I'd expect more solid logic behind them than you've presented. 

Yeah, recordings can give you a sense of immersion. That doesn't mean you're getting the full picture or even most of the experience. I mentioned it because you used the fact that you watched a recording to say you were and weren't impressed after someone told you everyone around them that actually went to the concert was. You not being impressed is fine. Claiming you got the gist of what was being presented from a video is less fine seeing as you've made it clear you didn't comprehend what was being said or the themes being explored beyond "Black people did country first".

The interludes were more than random narration and did in fact heavily touch on the sociopolitical state of our country. She does more than point to the inspirations. You just didn't pick up on it. Which makes sense after you told us you couldn't hear what was going on. Which isn't logical. Which is okay. 

Strange that you're discrediting Beyoncé's knowledge and care for old films when I could name you probably 10 overt references she's made through her career just off the top of my head as well as the fact that it's pretty well known both her and her husband are nerds about that stuff. In the same breath you aren't critical of Lana and her references when we don't know either of them and they both have teams that help them. That's not logic based; that's just what you feel is likely. Even though it's pretty well documented just how involved she is with the direction of her productions. 

Again with the anthem. It was much more than just a cliche cookie cutter cover. After singing about the death of America as we know it, the myth of the American dream, the evolution of racial opposition, the need to keep fighting, an explanation of her background and why her actions with this era are justified; then she covered a song about Black women being hurt in the fight for equality while trying to live free with a group of Black women trying to make a career in country music. Directly afterwards there's a short visual interlude of a representation of Grace Wisher who helped literally make the first American flag that gets washed out from the static that's recurrent whenever the production touches on the effects of propaganda and the whitewashing of history, it all dissolves into a wash of red ("whole lotta red in that white and blue"/ whole lotta violence to shape where we are now). She sings the anthem along with Jimi Hendricks' woodstock cover he did as protest over the war and civil rights struggles against a backdrop proclaiming "Never ask permission for something that already belongs to you" then ties it back to the lyrics of Blackbird that goes into her song Freedom with Kendrick talking about the protest and fight through time from slavery to the BLM movement against the propaganda. You just didn't pick up on any of that apparently and that's fine. 

That's why you're getting pushback. Your feelings about her and the show are fine to have. How you've been trying to logicize those feelings with a lot of words but not much rationale is not fine. It's downplaying and discrediting a sh*t ton of effort from a team of people given near unlimited resources that aren't usually given that opportunity and a lot of important history whether that's intentional on your behalf or not. Please understand I'm not trying to attack you for your opinion on a musician; I'm pushing back against the narrative you're trying to paint that what was being presented was just surface level kitschy Americana dress up because objectively it was a look at my people's contributions to the making of this country that hasn't really been touched on this comprehensively in this medium before. 

I'm a dork about this stuff (obviously lmao) so if you care and want some more info on the interludes and meanings of what you saw in the show, feel free to dm me 💜 no shade but I promise you there's so much you missed that's really fascinating and makes the production bigger than just a country-tinged concert. 

Edited August 4 by Roughhouse Dandy

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5 hours ago, Monsta217 said:

Sad to see than 17 years into Gaga's career, this kind of threads and arguments still happen.

Like, why do yall care that much about these dumb numbers and records? Is it really that big of a deal to get into a fight over which rich woman makes more money?

Gaga, Bey, Taylor, Katy, Madonna, Coldplay, Bieber, or anyone you wanna name here, are all more successful than 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of all musicians and artists in the world, who cares which one of them gets a bit more? It blows my mind honestly...

I care about Gaga, I wanna see her succeed, and she has been succesful for 17 straight years because even at those points where she was lower on the list, she was still like I said, exponentially more succesful than what almost every musician ever dreams to be.

I dont care about Beyonce, so why do I have to care if she does well or not? I really dont, and that goes for all other artists I dont care about. 

And remember, how yall were so upset at Roar and Prism outselling Applause and ARTPOP, and for what?? It only contributed to Gaga to grow a distaste for the whole era, and look where we are at now, with Gaga having a solid career, respected by everyone in the industry, breaking records and more, while Katy's career is on life support and not taken seriously by any sentient human being. So what was the point of all those battles in 2013? NUMBERS DONT MATTER. STOP TREATING MUSIC AS A COMPETITION!!! FOCUS ON ENJOYING THE ARTISTS YOU LOVE!!!

 

i love u for this 🥹

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21 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Feelings aren't facts and they can still be valid. If you feel like yours towards this tour are, I'd expect more solid logic behind them than you've presented. 

Yeah, recordings can give you a sense of immersion. That doesn't mean you're getting the full picture or even most of the experience. I mentioned it because you used the fact that you watched a recording to say you were and weren't impressed after someone told you everyone around them that actually went to the concert was. You not being impressed is fine. Claiming you got the gist of what was being presented from a video is less fine seeing as you've made it clear you didn't comprehend what was being said or the themes being explored beyond "Black people did country first".

The interludes were more than random narration and did in fact heavily touch on the sociopolitical state of our country. She does more than point to the inspirations. You just didn't pick up on it. Which makes sense after you told us you couldn't hear what was going on. Which isn't logical. Which is okay. 

Strange that you're discrediting Beyoncé's knowledge and care for old films when I could name you probably 10 overt references she's made through her career just off the top of my head as well as the fact that it's pretty well known both her and her husband are nerds about that stuff. In the same breath you aren't critical of Lana and her references when we don't know either of them and they both have teams that help them. That's not logic based; that's just what you feel is likely. Even though it's pretty well documented just how involved she is with the direction of her productions. 

Again with the anthem. It was much more than just a cliche cookie cutter cover. After singing about the death of America as we know it, the myth of the American dream, the evolution of racial opposition, the need to keep fighting, an explanation of her background and why her actions with this era are justified; then she covered a song about Black women being hurt in the fight for equality while trying to live free with a group of Black women trying to make a career in country music. Directly afterwards there's a short visual interlude of a representation of Grace Wisher who helped literally make the first American flag that gets washed out from the static that's recurrent whenever the production touches on the effects of propaganda and the whitewashing of history, it all dissolves into a wash of red ("whole lotta red in that white and blue"/ whole lotta violence to shape where we are now). She sings the anthem along with Jimi Hendricks' woodstock cover he did as protest over the war and civil rights struggles against a backdrop proclaiming "Never ask permission for something that already belongs to you" then ties it back to the lyrics of Blackbird that goes into her song Freedom with Kendrick talking about the protest and fight through time from slavery to the BLM movement against the propaganda. You just didn't pick up on any of that apparently and that's fine. 

That's why you're getting pushback. Your feelings about her and the show are fine to have. How you've been trying to logicize those feelings with a lot of words but not much rationale is not fine. It's downplaying and discrediting a sh*t ton of effort from a team of people given near unlimited resources that aren't usually given that opportunity and a lot of important history whether that's intentional on your behalf or not. Please understand I'm not trying to attack you for your opinion on a musician; I'm pushing back against the narrative you're trying to paint that what was being presented was just surface level kitschy Americana dress up because objectively it was a look at my people's contributions to the making of this country that hasn't really been touched on this comprehensively in this medium before. 

I'm a dork about this stuff (obviously lmao) so if you care and want some more info on the interludes and meanings of what you saw in the show, feel free to dm me 💜 no shade but I promise you there's so much you missed that's really fascinating and makes the production bigger than just a country-tinged concert. 

My logic has been solid. You just don't like it.

I don't know what part of "I watched the entire show without cuts" that you don't understand. I could hear most of it and I'm familiar with all the songs anyway. I actually went back and watched a different video with all the cutscenes to see if I'd missed anything and actually found that only one of them truly had narration, that whole American poem thing. The rest was just images of Beyonce looking cool. I can totally understand it all, it's not hard to work out.

Teams can do research on certain concepts. Singers schedules are so jam packed, most don't have the time to devote to planning production. We're seeing AI be used much more in today's world as well. To act like it all comes from the artist's mind just isn't realistic. And there's certainly not enough checks to make sure there isn't plagiarism going on.

I do get those references you're talking about. My issue is that they don't ring true. Anything she's displayed here just suggests she looked up all this history for one album and then won't touch on it again. She went her whole career without feeling the need to mention all this history because this is something she only recently sought out to care about because she thought it would make an interesting album. It just screams of "I looked at a few Wikipedia articles and then wrapped it all up in dramatics and pretension." It's because I understand what she's trying to do that makes me speak so negatively about it. I'm allowed to believe it just feel flat.

People don't need to learn about history through a Beyonce show, they'd be far better picking up a book and there were no actual teachings displayed on this tour. There's not even even names displayed, you'd have to do research on the album to discover that. Based on this tour alone, I didn't learn a single thing about the history of country music. I don't really care if that's insulting to all the people who worked hard on this. The show made serious bank, it's not like it's a little known misunderstood show. As if my negative opinion matters against that reception. You can be moved by it all you like. But I'm just providing what it's like to an outsider watching this without the fan goggles. Being condescending by suggesting I'm not intelligent enough to understand it and treating my opinions as lacking logic just because you don't like them is why you're getting pushback from me. I was extremely logical about the interlude thing, saying there were too many and went on for too long, accounting for over half an hour of the show. I don't know how that's uneducated or lacking rationale. But none of you fans want to hear one negative thing about her. When the only criticism is for the ticket prices which are nothing to do with the actual tour, there's a bit of serious blind adoration going on. 

Apart from the first one, all of those interludes were Beyonce-centred and presented her as a goddess and some sort of inspirational story. I don't even know what the whole deal was with who her character was and her motivation where she rolls into that western town and the next minute there's this casino/brothel where she inexplicably smashes a bottle over a woman's head. Was she getting too close to her man? Spending too long with a customer? We'll never know, this storyline is never explained but hey, it's a cool scene so everyone cheered! The rest of the time, it's just Beyonce looking badass/sexy/cool with no storyline and then a career retrospective at the end (as if she hasn't shoved this down our throats for the last decade already). Just another Beyonce celebration masquerading as something historically relevant. 

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8 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

My logic has been solid. You just don't like it.

No. You have been claiming arguments, and when proven wrong, or given nuanced answers about them, you changed the original point. That is not logic. Exemples bellow:

8 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Teams can do research on certain concepts. Singers schedules are so jam packed, most don't have the time to devote to planning production. We're seeing AI be used much more in today's world as well. To act like it all comes from the artist's mind just isn't realistic. And there's certainly not enough checks to make sure there isn't plagiarism going on.

Your very first argument was that there were "no references/the show was empty of meaning", but then they were but "Beyoncé's too busy to search on her own" or "it's plagiarism". Also, who here said all the show comes from Beyoncé's mind? Yes we are huge fans, doesn't mean we can't give credit to her incredible creative team. Just like The Art of Personal Chaos stems hugely from Parris' mind, we know damn well Beyoncé had a team to help her put the show together. But we also known damn well how hands on she is when it comes to her work, and she knows how to pick her collaborators extremely well to help her bring her vision to life. It goes for every big artists, in maybe diffferent scales, but be Gaga, Bey, Lana, etc etc, they all have a team behind them, and nobody here would say otherwise. When we praise an artists, we automatically praise their team, we know that. 
(And btw, as for the Attack of the 400 ft Cowboy interlude: Nadia Lee Cohen directed the visuals, including this one. So yeah, if you look up her work and references, I'd be keen to believe the idea come from Bey's team, and not Lana's MV.)

8 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I do get those references you're talking about. My issue is that they don't ring true. Anything she's displayed here just suggests she looked up all this history for one album and then won't touch on it again. She went her whole career without feeling the need to mention all this history because this is something she only recently sought out to care about because she thought it would make an interesting album. 

Again, you're getting pushback from us not because you didn't like the show, hell, who cares, but because you change your tune every message. You went from "no references" to "they don't ring true". And they can appear meaningless do to you, that's fine, but that's not what you said at first. Do you understand why it's frustrating? As for the point presented: or maybe she didn't before because she was happy doing RnB/Pop, but felt the need to expand her artistry as she's getting older? I mean I agree, obviously the question of "will this album be good/interesting" was presented to her. But I don't get why it's a bad thing. Maybe it's the "blind adoration", but I'm happy she still takes big swings like this, this late in her carreer. That + the CMA debacle. But we already talked about that.

8 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

People don't need to learn about history through a Beyonce show, they'd be far better picking up a book and there were no actual teachings displayed on this tour. There's not even even names displayed, you'd have to do research on the album to discover that. (…) Being condescending by suggesting I'm not intelligent enough to understand it and treating my opinions as lacking logic just because you don't like them is why you're getting pushback from me.

Do we need to? No. But is it a bad thing if we do? I don't see why it would be. For exemple, I had no idea that the banjo was an evolution of African instruments. And yes, I had to research the album to know that, but Google is free and learning is fun. But again, we're not saying you HAVE to, we're pointing out that there's a lot of history/meaning is in this project. But it can absolutely be enjoyed (or not, obviously) without it. But yeah, some of the lyrics (AMERIICAN REQUIEM and YA YA comes immediately to mind) are pretty straightforward, so even without doing a dig dive (that's the word right?), I'd say it'd be hard to listen to the album/attend the tour without getting the idea of what's she's trying to say. And again, it can ring false to you, but that wasn't the original point.

8 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I was extremely logical about the interlude thing, saying there were too many and went on for too long, accounting for over half an hour of the show. I don't know how that's uneducated or lacking rationale. But none of you fans want to hear one negative thing about her. When the only criticism is for the ticket prices which are nothing to do with the actual tour, there's a bit of serious blind adoration going on. 

Again. Feelings are not logic. To you, a non fan, those interludes were long. And that's okay. But just as much as it's okay, you have to understand that to some people they're not. Again, that's not logic, that's how we felt. But passing it as logic just doesn't work. And if you want more criticism of Beyoncé I can give you: I hate that she brings her children on stage, the show doesn't need it and it's obviously very dangerous to them, the prices of tickets and merch are insane and yes, despite all her qualities as an intertainer/artists, she's one of the most profit driven major artist out there, most of her first albums aren't that good to me, I really hate that she's not more vocal about politics, especially in today's world, when she could be such a major voice for change given her following etc. 
Just because we call out when people don't make sense in her arguments and are quick to defend her doesn't mean that we can't see that she's not perfect. Hell, who is?

Again, I hope you can understand that what we're annoyed with here is the constant changing of the argument. I assure you, no one will lose sleep over you no liking her or the tour. It's just frustrating to debate when someone flip flops constantly. But if you don't it's okay, as you say, no one here will likely change their mind, so there's not much point on keeping this going.

Edited August 5 by Leography

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I'm not a Beyoncé fan.

But its crazy to me that people are dismissing her visual artistry on the current tour. 

 

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9 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

You just don't like it.

Again. No one here cares if you like it or not. What I'm not liking is the goalpost moving and disingenuity. Have fun with that! 

Edited August 5 by Roughhouse Dandy