Economy 49,764 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, Bronco said: The worst example is ThamesWater in the UK. In billions of debt, infrastructure collapsing, investment pulled out as profit, on the brink of total collapse and yet until last hear was paying dividends to shareholders and performance bonuses to the CEO. And only stopped doing so because of government intervention. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughhouse Dandy 11,513 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) Deserved. Best concert I've ever been to. Had to see it twice to properly take it all in Edited July 30 by Roughhouse Dandy This is my Hannah Montana™️ lipgloss. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,764 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 18 minutes ago, phantasmas said: Would you be willing to share more about this experience with us? I'm very interested in what got you out of that headspace. Any tips or talking points that you think could help others would be amazing seeing as you have a great way in communicating. It was a gradual shift. First i just realized that as long as taxes are not so punatively high to be uncompetitive or discourage investment, taxes arent the issue for economic growth. If company profits are healthy enough and they already choose to spend a lot of it on share buybacks etc lowering them further wont do anything for investment especially in larger corporations. I still think taxes that are too high can be problematic but were no where near that level (especially for very wealthy individuals theres even more room to raise them than in the companies themselves i think. Corporate taxes can use hikes too and loophole cuts but i really think indovidual ultra wealthy billionaires as individuals need to see taxes go up the most) Second thing is I kept getting screwed over and over. My first long term job always seriously underpayed me because business was bad (i think it was actually true but regardless the system was screwing me). I changed jobs worked really hard and finally enjoyed a decent paying promotion only to get layed off when our branch was closed during pandemic... Thats twice i worked hard and got screwed. I came to realize hard work does not garantee anything because sometimes you do everything your supposed to succeed but you just have bad luck. The first time i thought ok I just had bad luck, but the 2nd time made me realize "bad luck" in this econony can happen over and over and keep kicking you down, its not a rare 1 off Now in my current job they are pushing us to the brink. I am getting payed well at least but its borderline slavery and my mental health is suffering. I had to call in sick today cuz my anxiety and depression is so bad Me getting screwed multiple times (along with meeting others in unfortunately situations in recent years) helped me shed the bias that poor people are usually poor because they are either lazy and wanna suck the system for welfare, spend their money poorly, or have addiction issues. While the issues listed above can be true of some individuals, many just genuinely have bad luck landing a decent job, others like one of my brothers have health issues that are a barrier to getting a proper job and keeping it. Others may be single or have kids or be new immigrants with no family to help and surviving on 1 average income the way housing and cost of living costs have gotten have garanteed poverty like living Its unfortunate i had to see (and experience) so much hardship myself to finally understand struggle exists because the system keeps screwing the bottom 50% to 60% and not always because people are lazy and irresponsible But it does also make me understand why some are so numb or ununderstanding to it especially the priveledged. Many ppl do not really get something unless they see it or feel it first hand Edited July 30 by Economy 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl 3,413 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 36 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said: Deserved. Best concert I've ever been to. Had to see it twice to properly take it all in Same, sounds sad but it was the closest thing i've had to a religious experience Shaking crying screaming, the underlying message of the whole thing was moving, loved it. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B tchfork 43 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 hours ago, River said: So sad that even concerts became a way to squeeze money out of us.. nobody should make this amount of money from a tour. I'm sure many of you feels this anger when u think about how much u spent to see Gaga and maybe there's a little voice that tells you to just sell it and f-ck everything.. I know I'm gonna enjoy the show, but the price was too much and I kinda regret buying the tickets. Congrats Bey I guess, hoard that damned money in your bank, hopefully one day some brave president will tax the sh-t out of you and all the disgusting rich people in America. How much did u spend on Gaga? I seen her 3 times but each concert was about $200 or less Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmas 10,566 Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 58 minutes ago, Economy said: It was a gradual shift. First i just realized that as long as taxes are not so punatively high to be uncompetitive or discourage investment, taxes arent the issue for economic growth. If company profits are healthy enough and they already choose to spend a lot of it on share buybacks etc lowering them further wont do anything for investment especially in larger corporations. I still think taxes that are too high can be problematic but were no where near that level (especially for very wealthy individuals theres even more room to raise them than in the companies themselves i think. Corporate taxes can use hikes too and loophole cuts but i really think indovidual ultra wealthy billionaires as individuals need to see taxes go up the most) Second thing is I kept getting screwed over and over. My first long term job always seriously underpayed me because business was bad (i think it was actually true but regardless the system was screwing me). I changed jobs worked really hard and finally enjoyed a decent paying promotion only to get layed off when our branch was closed during pandemic... Thats twice i worked hard and got screwed. I came to realize hard work does not garantee anything because sometimes you do everything your supposed to succeed but you just have bad luck. The first time i thought ok I just had bad luck, but the 2nd time made me realize "bad luck" in this econony can happen over and over and keep kicking you down, its not a rare 1 off Now in my current job they are pushing us to the brink. I am getting payed well at least but its borderline slavery and my mental health is suffering. I had to call in sick today cuz my anxiety and depression is so bad Me getting screwed multiple times (along with meeting others in unfortunately situations in recent years) helped me shed the bias that poor people are usually poor because they are either lazy and wanna suck the system for welfare, spend their money poorly, or have addiction issues. While the issues listed above can be true of some individuals, many just genuinely have bad luck landing a decent job, others like one of my brothers have health issues that are a barrier to getting a proper job and keeping it. Others may be single or have kids or be new immigrants with no family to help and surviving on 1 average income the way housing and cost of living costs have gotten have garanteed poverty like living Its unfortunate i had to see (and experience) so much hardship myself to finally understand struggle exists because the system keeps screwing the bottom 50% to 60% and not always because people are lazy and irresponsible But it does also make me understand why some are so numb or ununderstanding to it especially the priveledged. Many ppl do not really get something unless they see it or feel it first hand oof- I grew up poor so I can relate all too well with life constantly beating you up when you're already down But I am glad you chose a path of empathy! I know a lot of others would have just become more bitter and hateful. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEANGT 5,294 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 hours ago, Simon said: I think for us - consumers it's nothing to be proud of. The only ones cheering for this are beehives toxic personas from X. I want to go to concerts, I want to celebrate music and support the artists I like, but everything has its limits. It's just a concert. Milking customers, fans, and casual listeners—that's not the way to go. I really can't believe people complain about ticket prices and dynamic pricing and stuff, and then brag about tour revenue numbers .... ???? THINK 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,862 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 All that for just 32 stadium dates worldwide. Gaga did 20 for the CBT and she only pulled in a fraction of that amount (and even if she had done an additional 12 dates, she still wouldn't have come close). Even though Mayhem Ball has much more dates than this, because they're at mostly arenas, she won't pull in this amount. Absolutely ridiculous that people paid this much even with how Beyonce's now making it abundantly clear that she doesn't want to travel far and wants to keep her shows as exclusive as possible. There wasn't even a question if she was going to go to SA, Asia or Oceania this time (which she hasn't done in years), from out outset, we knew it was 4 countries which meant fans were going to have to pay through the nose for travel and accommodation fees on top of this, dropping a grand and more was a given. The sheer amount of people who are willing to see Beyonce's same formula over and over is something that continues to baffle me. Super hot take here that I know will catch me some hate but, I'm also astounded that people are still seeing Pink in their millions even though she does basically the same setlist and the same aerial tricks every single time. Her latest tour is the 9th highest grossing tour of all time and is the second highest grossing concert of all time by a woman. I suppose some could say Gaga does the same thing every tour and people pay to see that but I feel she at least always keeps us guessing with the setlist and covers a lot of her current albums. 4 hours ago, Karl said: If Gaga had done this y'all would be celebrating, the Beyonce hate train continues Lots of fans complained about the high prices but we know this is just what concerts cost these days and as it was going to be Gaga's last tour for a while, this was the only chance we had. And at least Gaga's going to earn her big money from a large scale tour. Currently, this tour covers 4 continents, 12 countries and 23 cities which is miles better than the super exclusive tour that Beyonce did that only went to the most populated and richest areas. To pull in all that money from just 32 dates is preposterous. If Gaga adds more dates and ends up making the same amount, at least she'll have earned it through performing to a wider reach of her fanbase. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leography 154 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 20 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: The sheer amount of people who are willing to see Beyonce's same formula over and over is something that continues to baffle me. 1 - she's arguably the greatest entertainer alive. Sure she's "colder" than Gaga (but just because she doesn't spend 15 minutes talking between each songs doesn't mean she's not saying anything), but she more than makes up for it with every other aspect of her show. Just like Gaga, it's not just a concert, it's a whole damn movie you're seeing. Of course people will want to see one of the best pop (or country or whatever genre she'll do next) there is. 2 - Same formula WHERE? There was similar elements and references to the RWT, but it was one, extremely intentional, as she's in the middle of a three acts projects, all connected. And two, super enjoyable. The RWT segment had the stadiums ALIVE. I guess you could say that yes, she always serve incredible vocals, has the best video interludes in the business (again, a MOVIE), but that's about it. Laughing at the comparison to P!nk's setlist as well. Either you didn't look at Beyoncé recent setlists, ESPECIALLY the previous two tours, or you're being obtuse on purpose. Hell, even fans want to attend serveral dates because you never know what song she might do out of the blue. Even some of the "classic" hits haven't been performed in years (Single Ladies in 2018, Irreplaceable 2016, If I were a boy 2014) Edited July 30 by Leography 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mayhem 840 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Wait...her tour is considered a country music show? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 49,313 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 how much were her tickets compared to mayhem ball? cus MB tickets were just... a joke mother, what must i do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeAteMyh3art 1,069 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 17 minutes ago, nATAH said: how much were her tickets compared to mayhem ball? cus MB tickets were just... a joke according to available data (2/3 of the shows) it's about $250 on average ($304,955,830 divided by 1,204,259 seats), I know MAYHEM's dynamic pricing was ridiculous but until the numbers come out we won't know how it compares Edited July 30 by HeAteMyh3art happy 1k rep to me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeAteMyh3art 1,069 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) If anyone's little stantwt brain is worried about beyonce being so much bigger blah blah, gaga averaged 13 million per night for singapore, which x32 would also be over 400 mil, so its ok. Correct me if I'm wrong though Okay edit actually, its 52 million SINGAPORE dollars across the 4 shows, which would be 40 million usd -> 10 mil per night, 320 mil overall Singapore had an average of around $200 per ticket Edited July 30 by HeAteMyh3art happy 1k rep to me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmas 10,566 Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Lord Mayhem said: Wait...her tour is considered a country music show? considering that that Creole Capitalist was mostly singing country songs, wore cowboy outfits, featured country visuals, and galloped around on a horse during her show... I would say yes 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowlicker 3,547 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Lord Mayhem said: Wait...her tour is considered a country music show? Well it’s supporting her country album, so yes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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