DWAS passes Shallow

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2 minutes ago, HeAteMyh3art said:

Like promoting her singles! She looooooves doing that!

Well actually the chart obsessive move I was referring to was putting DWAS on the album at all just so the album could drop with a guaranteed billion streams or whatever it had when Mayhem dropped  

I would love for her to perform more often but as someone said recently, live performances don't really move the needle chart wise so she doesn't do them

3 minutes ago, HeAteMyh3art said:

Btw I counted manually and he sings a grand total of 30 seconds more than her. While DWAS was initially intended to be standalone, I feel like she was the one who wanted it on the album, considering the whole concept of MAYHEM.

She has two lines in her verse where she sings without him  every other time she's singing, he's singing too.

He even sings first  

And unlike Shallow, where the narrative reason exists for Bradley to sing first (Jackson singing then pulling Ally on stage), this time it's 'cause it's Bruno's song  

6 minutes ago, HeAteMyh3art said:

What all the stans forget is that all of her collaborations, fully released as singles, are hits. They keep using "Collabga" as a supposed insult, but forget the situation THEIR FAV IS IN. Embarassing. Good luck making music with a jazz legend and getting a crowd of 2.5 million

I don't think anyone here is trying to discredit Gaga. Personally, I'd argue any song that makes the top 40 is a hit imo (so, basically all her singles, solo or otherwise)

But...I mean, here you are trying to weaponize her achievements against other artists which is exactly the kind of energy that makes me hate stans  

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6 minutes ago, PartySick said:

But...I mean, here you are trying to weaponize her achievements against other artists which is exactly the kind of energy that makes me hate stans  

Was tryna show off how big she really is at the end there, not weaponize, but I get how you could see that 
I really hate the way you say Bruno's song though, as if it could've been a hit either way but her helpless voice was put onto it for the numbers. Gaga also wrote songs for other artists back when she was underground, they're not hers though anymore right?

Edited Monday at 01:43 PM by HeAteMyh3art

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21 minutes ago, PartySick said:

"hits" don't really matter anymore

I want her to have hits but I do think that the current definition of “hits” using billboard top 10 or whatever doesn’t work anymore. I think I started talking about this in some other thread but since streaming, tons of albums cuts can make the top 10 because the album is streamed so many times, but none of these album cuts is promoted or usually sticks around, and yet they all count as top 10 hits because for one week the streams of the new album also put them there. This is why I think the hot 100 methodology doesn’t make sense anymore. Clearly Abra is a bigger and truer “hit” that is well known to the GP and was very popular but didn’t make the top 10, meanwhile Taylor or Morgan scored a ton of top 10 placements for their album tracks on album release week because they’re huge artists. Like no one believes that Taylor’s “Maroon” or “Question” or “Midnight Rain” are bigger hits than Abra, but all three of them technically were in the Hot 100 top ten. That to me means the Hot 100 doesn’t really chart actual hits anymore, it’s often just a parallel chart to an album success. 

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7 minutes ago, monstertoronto said:

I want her to have hits but I do think that the current definition of “hits” using billboard top 10 or whatever doesn’t work anymore. I think I started talking about this in some other thread but since streaming, tons of albums cuts can make the top 10 because the album is streamed so many times, but none of these album cuts is promoted or usually sticks around, and yet they all count as top 10 hits because for one week the streams of the new album also put them there. This is why I think the hot 100 methodology doesn’t make sense anymore. Clearly Abra is a bigger and truer “hit” that is well known to the GP and was very popular but didn’t make the top 10, meanwhile Taylor or Morgan scored a ton of top 10 placements for their album tracks on album release week because they’re huge artists. Like no one believes that Taylor’s “Maroon” or “Question” or “Midnight Rain” are bigger hits than Abra, but all three of them technically were in the Hot 100 top ten. That to me means the Hot 100 doesn’t really chart actual hits anymore, it’s often just a parallel chart to an album success. 

I also don't get why the US hot 100 is used as a metric for hit, like, Trump was voted into office, should we really put that chart on such a high pedestal? I've been hearing Abracadabra, DWAS, ed sheeran  outside constantly, america isn't the centre of the world

Edited Monday at 01:55 PM by HeAteMyh3art

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1 hour ago, HeAteMyh3art said:

Was tryna show off how big she really is at the end there, not weaponize, but I get how you could see that 
I really hate the way you say Bruno's song though, as if it could've been a hit either way but her helpless voice was put onto it for the numbers. Gaga also wrote songs for other artists back when she was underground, they're not hers though anymore right?

Imo DWAS was always destined to be a hit, with or without Gaga, though that part specifically is difficult to say with certainty 'cause we don't know how much she actually contributed to the song's creation.

I'll also say I personally hate the song (overly saccharine tunes miss the mark hard for me) but it is an objectively good song  

It was the best song Bruno's put out recently. The second best is APT! People like to counter the "Bruno's a hitmaker" argument with that Fat Juicy and Wet song but that song is total ass and not in line tonally with his other hits  

But tl;dr - if Bruno put out DWAS in it's current state without Gaga it would have still smashed for sure but if Gaga put it out without Bruno? Maybe ARUTW/Million Reasons numbers and longevity?  just my opinion though, call me wrong if you think I am  

I think a lot of fans discount her power just 'cause she doesn't crack the top ten as often as they like  

Like, I'll go to the charts thread and see meltdowns over Gaga being the third or fourth biggest artist on Spotify instead of the first or second and like...do y'all know how many thousands, MILLIONS, of people she had to beat to get to the top five?!  

Idk, I don't have a point

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18 minutes ago, PartySick said:

we don't know how much she actually contributed to the song's creation

It’s true we don’t know, but from the lore, he was in the studio and invited her in and she helped write the song with him, and she’s credited not just as a co-writer but also as a co-producer alongside him, so I would not underestimate her contribution. We know she can write a good song. I personally don’t think the song would even be the same song, not even just without her voice, but the song writing itself would not have made the same song without her involved in writing and producing it.  I think there’s likely a good reason why Bruno, Gaga (and their teams obvs) decided to put her name first. 

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8 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Imo DWAS was always destined to be a hit, with or without Gaga, though that part specifically is difficult to say with certainty 'cause we don't know how much she actually contributed to the song's creation.

I'll also say I personally hate the song (overly saccharine tunes miss the mark hard for me) but it is an objectively good song  

It was the best song Bruno's put out recently. The second best is APT! People like to counter the "Bruno's a hitmaker" argument with that Fat Juicy and Wet song but that song is total ass and not in line tonally with his other hits  

But tl;dr - if Bruno put out DWAS in it's current state without Gaga it would have still smashed for sure but if Gaga put it out without Bruno? Maybe ARUTW/Million Reasons numbers and longevity?  just my opinion though, call me wrong if you think I am  

I think a lot of fans discount her power just 'cause she doesn't crack the top ten as often as they like  

Like, I'll go to the charts thread and see meltdowns over Gaga being the third or fourth biggest artist on Spotify instead of the first or second and like...do y'all know how many thousands, MILLIONS, of people she had to beat to get to the top five?!  

Idk, I don't have a point

From what I remember: he wrote a bit of it and had a thought out structure, then he invited gaga so she could add her touch and they could finish it together. You don't need to clarify that you hate it, I always expect you to make a comment when this topic comes up 
The charts thread is unique to say the least, I just go to see which songs hit which milestone and.. yeah...

[andy232000 11,361]

This bitch just said “let me put out this cute little MONSTER HIT”

[Bradley 59,023]

In before Bruno smashed, not Gaga 

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1 minute ago, Bradley said:

In before Bruno smashed, not Gaga 

Lowkey that has already happened in this thread 

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18 minutes ago, HeAteMyh3art said:

I always expect you to make a comment when this topic comes up 

Another satisfied customer  

19 minutes ago, HeAteMyh3art said:

The charts thread is unique to say the least, I just go to see which songs hit which milestone and.. yeah...

I never got the obsession  

She's one of the biggest artists to ever live, that should be enough  

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2 hours ago, PartySick said:

I think streaming has made charts worthless tbh  

When everyone's relying on luck, algorithms, spamming social media, and paying the right people for promotion, or even straight up buying/farming streams, "hits" don't really matter anymore

 

2 hours ago, FreedomInTheMusic said:

IMO Gaga made it to legend status years ago, and it’s rock solid. No amount of stan mudslinging will ever discredit Gaga’s achievements, and she has nothing left to prove. She’s at a level that few people ever hit, and once you’re there, you’ll likely stay there forever. 

When legends are highlighted and career achievements talked about they literally always mention records sold, albums sold and top 10s achieved. Its literally the 3 main barometers used for the commercial side of ones career

 

So i dont think its irrelevant (no matter how unfair we think algorithms may be or how much luck may be involved)

 

And i agree Gaga is already a Legend but id say not Madonna or MJ level yet and it would be amazing if she was

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15 hours ago, SHALLOW said:

You're still iconic 

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Omg I am so done with the whole “DWAS is a Bruno song, Gaga is a feature, she barely sings, she didnt help in making it”. STOP. THE. B*LLSH*T. You can not like the song, but stop downplaying it. We are considering APT as a duet as well, even though with all your logic Bruno is just a feature there. We dont know how the song came to be, and how much Gaga helped in shaping it, and we will never know. It is a hit, it is a Silk Sonic type of song combined with Gagas ballad writing skills. And it wouldt have been as big if only one of the 2 released it