Jester 6,302 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 18 hours ago, LG2008 said: Gaga should've released multiple singles atp and idk why she never shoots a bunch of videos back to back so she has some material to keep her eras going. She should have at least 4 or 5 visual albums at this point in her career Well if she had a better manager... Instead of the unplanned 2025 tour, there could've been multiple singles with music videos, TV live performances, stream appearances, collab remixes, #1s, and way more impact. There was literally never a better time to slay across all fields than now Edited July 10 by Jester Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 26,625 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 8 hours ago, AsleepOnTheCeiling said: I don't understand this take honestly. We're consuming the most music we've ever consumed as a society and individuals, with the most reach for independent artists. If you think last year was a big smash for music, and now you're bored, I hate to say you're partially part of the problem. Artists dont often release within a year of their previous work. If you can't make good music last a year with a small amount of supplemental content from other artists, your attention span is erroding and you get tired of the music too quickly. Streaming and easy accessibility to music killed the industry, even if it was pro-consumer in some ways. I don't understand your take either... I talked about very specific things and you're quoting me about different things. Your first argument as to why the music industry is great now is that we can consume a lot of music and have access to a lot of artists (which is thanks to streaming), and the last thing you say is that streaming and easy accessibility to music killed the industry? My "erroding attention span" is doing fine, I clearly said that songs are too short. Also, attention span has nothing to do with wanting to enjoy an era to the fullest. I did not say that the music industry is boring this year specifically, and I said very specific reasons about why I think the music industry is boring, and none of them were about how long artists take to release new music. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar97 1,616 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Gaga release a Mayhem deluxe edition with HBDYWM ft Taylor and own the summer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeKermit 4,869 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 honestly, ever since Dua (and let's even say The Weeknd) had FULL ON succesful eras during the hardest point in Covid, I don't think there are enough arguments anybody could give as to why Gaga isn't doing this or that. At this point it's really giving half assed eras 4 albums in a row - which means over 50% of her carreer. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 48,522 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, Jester said: Well if she had a better manager... Instead of the unplanned 2025 tour, there could've been multiple singles with music videos, TV live performances, stream appearances, collab remixes, #1s, and way more impact. There was literally never a better time to slay across all fields than now i don't think you realise how much of a waste of money this is for interscope and gaga when the tour demand is already there, the only bad part of her management was not releasing physical copies of the singles there's no point investing all of that money when the tour sold out in minutes, it's just financial common sense and it's exactly why gaga and her peers have very small eras now all the stuff you're asking for is just for validation on stan twitter (and also fan entertainment) mother, what must i do? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,735 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 19 hours ago, Nycboy said: I agree that brat summer will go down in the history books but I believe the relationship between music and politics last year was a sheer coincidence. It’s not like Charli planned brat knowing that Kamala was going to run for president… lol. Everything just fell into place at the same time, and the music was already there to soundtrack our life. Brat was popular because it’s a great album and Charli did a phenomenal job marketing it. Let’s not credit it’s success to Kamala/Trump. It’s not like Sabrina released S&S knowing that 2024 would be an “optimistic” year and that her album would fit the mood. Albums take years to create, and she’s releasing another album this year so how do you explain that? Also they’re comparing the BBH100 of this year to last year and I think Charli was barely in the top 10 last year? Is political chaos really creating an overstimulated audience that lead to boring music? Because on my TikTok all I see are people complaining that there isn’t a song of the summer…the appetite is there. Where does Addison, PinkPanthress and Miley fit into this narrative? When Gaga released Mayhem only a few months ago the media wouldn’t shut up about recession music (aka just normal pop) making a comeback…what happened to that narrative? Honestly these takes are so thoughtless. Is it that hard to believe that pop stars just keep making pop music no matter what the political climate is??? Brat really shouldn’t be remembered for its music if we’re talking about commercial impact. In a way, Charli designed the era where the pop was the marketing and the critical side was the music. And it worked! Great album, barely made waves in the US charts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,735 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, Jester said: Well if she had a better manager... Instead of the unplanned 2025 tour, there could've been multiple singles with music videos, TV live performances, stream appearances, collab remixes, #1s, and way more impact. There was literally never a better time to slay across all fields than now Her manager is great lol the tour was unplanned bc she wasn’t going to tour this year until live nation asked her to when mayhem POPPED kinda unexpectedly and she (clearly) would rather marathon this year than draw the era out unfortunately for us, Gaga is at a point now where she needs not one bit of these promotional slots or opportunities. Shes basically a guaranteed success atp 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 10,705 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 38 minutes ago, MaybeKermit said: honestly, ever since Dua (and let's even say The Weeknd) had FULL ON succesful eras during the hardest point in Covid, I don't think there are enough arguments anybody could give as to why Gaga isn't doing this or that. At this point it's really giving half assed eras 4 albums in a row - which means over 50% of her carreer. I mean the COVID eras were governed by something very specific - people consuming music that enabled them to feel a release and a hope for a return to normality. We're past that. Its an anomaly that can't be replicated without similar social events. Its like asking why did the Summer of Love not repeat in 1968. Because the cultural factors behind it moved on. Joanne wasn't a half arsed era - it was flopped. Its been reappraised since, but lots of Lil Monsters hated it on release and it never gained a sustained run of momentum. Chromatica was a cancelled era. Gaga made a choice to stay inside. Definitely killed the album roll out, but lets face it no one knew what to do in 2020 and some people just got lucky. Mayhem isn't a half arsed era. You're just demanding that her team and Gaga herself run the era in a dated way based on what you enjoy. They're actually running a very successful era on the basis of how the current music industry works. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 48,522 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, Bronco said: Mayhem isn't a half arsed era. You're just demanding that her team and Gaga herself run the era in a dated way based on what you enjoy. They're actually running a very successful era on the basis of how the current music industry works. i really don't think many fans realise how good we have it compared to other big acts beyonce's last music video was in 2021 and she's more than happy to keep chucking whiskey and hair care at her fans taylor swift didn't even have a lead single until album release day for TTPD stans aren't keeping up with how fast the industry is changing or noticing how the gap between fan and customer is quickly closing (and if they do, they're not clicking that the labels are to blame, not gaga or bobby or michael or the haus) mother, what must i do? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJames 950 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 56 minutes ago, Bronco said: I mean the COVID eras were governed by something very specific - people consuming music that enabled them to feel a release and a hope for a return to normality. We're past that. Its an anomaly that can't be replicated without similar social events. Its like asking why did the Summer of Love not repeat in 1968. Because the cultural factors behind it moved on. Joanne wasn't a half arsed era - it was flopped. Its been reappraised since, but lots of Lil Monsters hated it on release and it never gained a sustained run of momentum. Chromatica was a cancelled era. Gaga made a choice to stay inside. Definitely killed the album roll out, but lets face it no one knew what to do in 2020 and some people just got lucky. Mayhem isn't a half arsed era. You're just demanding that her team and Gaga herself run the era in a dated way based on what you enjoy. They're actually running a very successful era on the basis of how the current music industry works. Right, except it’s a bit of a rewrite and disservice to label Joanne a flop. It took the goodwill and hype she’d earned during her tributes/acting era and proved she still had a spot in the Pop landscape away from the theatrics of her earlier albums/eras, but far enough from the sounds dominating the 2016-2018 airwaves to seamlessly pivot wherever she wanted or needed next, which she did with ASIB (film and OST) and Chromatica (which a huge opening week and best critical acclaim to that point). Similar to now, Pop music was in a state of transition, and aside from newer acts like Ariana who were able to “authentically” adapt to the trends, most of her peers did much worse: Katy, Nicki, Miley, etc. Joanne was still the best selling female Pop album of that year in the US, and debuted atop the BB200, supported a highly successful World tour, and spent almost a year on BB200 (49 wks) - all at her lowest commercial point, without any singles entering the top 15 of Pop Radio, AND with a stand-alone droplet not on any album version. Had JWT not been canceled, it would’ve had even more longevity, as it was 1 of her only albums to climb the Charts during its tour. Not my favorite album of hers, but she knew what she was doing and it definitely succeeded in its purpose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 10,705 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, nATAH said: i really don't think many fans realise how good we have it compared to other big acts beyonce's last music video was in 2021 and she's more than happy to keep chucking whiskey and hair care at her fans taylor swift didn't even have a lead single until album release day for TTPD stans aren't keeping up with how fast the industry is changing or noticing how the gap between fan and customer is quickly closing (and if they do, they're not clicking that the labels are to blame, not gaga or bobby or michael or the haus) Like this is the thing - music videos now have so little chance of profit and so little cultural relevance now that even indie acts aren't bothering with them post album release. Hell, even most metal/rock bands aren't bothing. Sleep Token didn't make a single music video for Even in Arcadia. Ghost made 2 pre album release music videos - because they use them to reveal the new frontman character, and since then it's been silence. And these 2 rock bands had the biggest rock albums in years on the charts. The focus now is purely on big debut week album sales and then a tour for all levels of the music industry now. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 48,522 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 2 minutes ago, Bronco said: Like this is the thing - music videos now have so little chance of profit and so little cultural relevance now that even indie acts aren't bothering with them post album release. Hell, even most metal/rock bands aren't bothing. Sleep Token didn't make a single music video for Even in Arcadia. Ghost made 2 pre album release music videos - because they use them to reveal the new frontman character, and since then it's been silence. And these 2 rock bands had the biggest rock albums in years on the charts. The focus now is purely on big debut week album sales and then a tour for all levels of the music industry now. everything is dying mother, what must i do? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,529 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 22 hours ago, HotLikeMexico said: I defended Gaga for years but at the point it’s frustrating that since AP, there only like 2 singles and maybe 3 videos if we are lucky per era. I feel the same way. I had a feeling this era wed finally for the first time since Born This Way have more than 3 singles on an era but seems like it wont be the case At least there was a lot of promo and events. Cant complain about that. But it did feel short Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,850 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) This article and discussion really reminds me of just how much I miss the pre-mid 2010’s era of pop music. Before streaming and social media completely took over. When eras were ERAS - every single had its own moment/era, music videos, several award show performances, live TV performances, radio interviews, talk show interviews + performances. The days of MTV, VH1, Much Music, when VMA’s, BBMA’s and AMA’s got huge ratings and were actual pop culture MOMENTS with several iconic performances, etc. Post-album singles that would still do well and be promoted. I know people always scoff at this ‘back in the day everything was better’-stance, but when it comes to pop music and pop eras I think it’s really true. Things really changed after ~2017. Edited July 10 by LittleMonster20 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,735 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 hours ago, nATAH said: i really don't think many fans realise how good we have it compared to other big acts beyonce's last music video was in 2021 and she's more than happy to keep chucking whiskey and hair care at her fans taylor swift didn't even have a lead single until album release day for TTPD stans aren't keeping up with how fast the industry is changing or noticing how the gap between fan and customer is quickly closing (and if they do, they're not clicking that the labels are to blame, not gaga or bobby or michael or the haus) all of which is to say nothing of the navy...they're basically beyond the wall at this point 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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