RAMROD 109,304 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 In a June 25 press release, Procon-SP, the Sao Paulo branch of Brazil’s Consumer Protection and Defence program, requested changes to Nintendo’s end-user license agreement, calling certain clauses “abusive” under Brazilian law. The main concern is Nintendo’s ability to permanently restrict access to services like the eShop and online play if they believe someone has violated its terms, including by using unauthorized accessories or pirated software. This is also known as ‘bricking’. Any bricked consoles receive a 2124-4508 error code and lose total access to online. The console still works offline, but has already resulted in fans unknowingly buying affected second-hand consoles. Procon-SP says that canceling subscriptions or services without explanation violates consumer protection rules. Nintendo has no formal legal presence in Brazil, forcing the agency to contact the company’s US headquarters just to open talks. Nintendo has appointed a local law firm to handle the matter, but only for this specific case. “The existence of a representation in Brazil should be one of the criteria for purchasing decisions,” said Álvaro Camilo, Director of Service and Guidance at Procon-SP. The company has 20 days to respond to Procon-SP’s request. https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/nintendo-faces-legal-action-over-ability-to-brick-switch-2s-whenever-they-want-3221145/ (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢, 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,228 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 I mean, the user broke the TOS 🤷♂️ If u buy a $500 console, just to pirate it then u deserve a ban simple as that So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
candydarling 1,793 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, River said: I mean, the user broke the TOS 🤷♂️ If u buy a $500 console, just to pirate it then u deserve a ban simple as that does that also happen in other countries? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,228 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, candydarling said: does that also happen in other countries? It’s international and also Somy and Xbox are doing it as well.. They have the right to protect their products from piracy 🤷♂️ So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
candydarling 1,793 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 4 minutes ago, River said: It’s international and also Somy and Xbox are doing it as well.. They have the right to protect their products from piracy 🤷♂️ yeah i agree, im just trying to make sense of it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemoMyName 722 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Nintendo about to leave Brasil because their not changing **** Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 159,829 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, RAMROD said: The main concern is Nintendo’s ability to permanently restrict access to services like the eShop and online play if they believe someone has violated its terms, including by using unauthorized accessories or pirated software. This is also known as ‘bricking’. That isn't "bricking" though. I absolutely agree that if you bought a console it is 100% yours to do with as you please and having a built in killswitch for the hardware itself is beyond ridiculous, shady, and anti-consumer. You bought it, it's your property, it no longer belongs to Nintendo. Bricking it is theft. But Nintendo has a right to restrict the use of their services. The store, online play, things like that where you have to agree to an actual ToS agreement. They require constant connection and communication between your device and their servers. If they've outlined the rules for your device and you break them then they can sever that connection. "Bricking" a console means to remove it's functionality all together. 🌸Flourishing and vibrant🌼 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue wig 340 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) I've seen all these headlines about Nintendo bricking consoles, but also saw people saying it happens on other consoles, so I never thought anything of it, but: "bricking", really? They call it bricking when it's just removing online functionality? That's just common sense when it comes to online games, you don't want cheaters ruining the fun! If you can still use it offline, then it's not really bricking, Nintendo isn't stopping you from using your console... People make it sound like Nintendo renders the whole system unusable Also, they had the exact thing with the first Switch, nobody seemed to worry about it then Edit: oops, sorry @PartySick, I kind of posted the same thing as you at the same time (great minds think alike, haha) Edited July 2 by Blue wig 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 159,829 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 31 minutes ago, River said: It’s international and also Somy and Xbox are doing it as well.. They have the right to protect their products from piracy 🤷♂️ Can't speak for Microsoft but the only time Sony has ever bricked a console is when it's been stolen and then connected to their network. They absolutely restrict users from accessing the PSN though, and they have every right to if ToS are violated. But I remain staunchly opposed to this "they should have control over the console itself even after I've bought it" thing 'cause buying should mean owning. Otherwise you're not paying $500 for a console, you're paying $500 for the permission to use it until they decide you can't. And that's whack as f*ck 🌸Flourishing and vibrant🌼 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 159,829 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 4 minutes ago, Blue wig said: I've seen all these headlines about Nintendo bricking consoles, but also saw people saying it happens on other consoles, so I never thought anything of it, but: "bricking", really? They call it bricking when it's just removing online functionality? That's just common sense when it comes to online games, you don't want cheaters ruining the fun! If you can still use it offline, then it's not really bricking, Nintendo isn't stopping you from using your console... People make it sound like Nintendo renders the whole system unusable Also, they had the exact thing with the first Switch, nobody seemed to worry about it then Edit: oops, sorry @PartySick, I kind of posted the same thing as you at the same time (great minds think alike, haha) Yeah, and it's not just cheating either. No doubt they have security measures in place for devices that connect to their servers and if your console appears dodgey that could be a security risk for other users' information. They have terms of service for a reason and I totally support them having a right to restrict online access. I just have a huge problem with removing the entire functionality of the physical console after a consumer has already bought it 🌸Flourishing and vibrant🌼 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,228 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 24 minutes ago, PartySick said: Can't speak for Microsoft but the only time Sony has ever bricked a console is when it's been stolen and then connected to their network. They absolutely restrict users from accessing the PSN though, and they have every right to if ToS are violated. But I remain staunchly opposed to this "they should have control over the console itself even after I've bought it" thing 'cause buying should mean owning. Otherwise you're not paying $500 for a console, you're paying $500 for the permission to use it until they decide you can't. And that's whack as f*ck That’s the point if someone is willing to pay $500 for a console just to risk a ban then it on them really 😅 Like Apple/google can terminate our stores accounts any time they want if we break their tos and f-ck all our purchases. Every electronic device we buy can be bricked from far if it’s connected to the internet, even a fridge 🫠 So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue wig 340 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 35 minutes ago, PartySick said: Yeah, and it's not just cheating either. No doubt they have security measures in place for devices that connect to their servers and if your console appears dodgey that could be a security risk for other users' information. They have terms of service for a reason and I totally support them having a right to restrict online access. I just have a huge problem with removing the entire functionality of the physical console after a consumer has already bought it Ah, yeah, like mods for singleplayer games and stuff like that But also, tbh, if I understand anything about hacking, it's always a possibility that a mistake will genuinely brick the console, so hackers know that there's always risks I tried doing some research (not too much, need to start working soon, haha), and from what I've found, people are freaking out because the terms of service says sthing like Nintendo can disable a console partially or entirely. So it sounds like they could brick consoles, but they instead just disable the online (and so does Sony and Microsoft) But yeah, good point about security, it's only natural they don't want to let people wreak havoc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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