Beyoncé criticised for calling indigenous people enemies of peace

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Yeah this is a big yikes, but Bey being pro native-genocide makes as much sense as the Gaga-zionist allegations:

Both are known for their stance of uplifting marginalized people, so these weird carve outs make no sense. 

That stylist should get fired and Bey needs to scan text based **** she wears lmao 

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8 hours ago, Scarlet Witch said:

Black capitalism is still capitalism 

Realizing this saved me from being a cringe Hillary Clinton liberal I used to be lmao

Anyway Beyoncé is here to serve looks, perform incredibly, and make bops - so I’m not that torn up over her being careless like this 

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2 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

I know y'all love to claim that all your outdated racial mindsets are actually just the USA being sensitive, but it was already considered pejorative in the early 20th century and was also considered not such a great term in Europe either. Here's a link to an academic paper with some sources giving a little overview of the matter if you care to learn more about why we grew out of using "Orient" to describe Asian people instead of just brushing off widely recognized insensitivities. 

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https://isac.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/Explaining the Meanings of the Words Orient and Oriental%2C Tasha Vorderstrasse.pdf#:~:text=The words Orient and Oriental started to,United States by the late nineteenth century.&text=It is clear that in the early,Chinese and Japanese in a racist way.

 

I'm an Asian living in Europe and I have no problem about this term being used in a song about inclusivity, so why should you? 

It's tiring seeing all these "racially sensitive people" speaking for minorities like mine.

Anyone with a brain knows Gaga was empowering us rather than being insensitive with us.

Just because some American people 2 centuries ago used the term in a racist way doesn't mean we can no longer say I'm from an oriental country.

Quite the opposite, I take pride in that - if anyone says I'm from the Orient, I think about all the oriental beauty, cuisine and our kind people.

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1 hour ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

Yes, I know this. I have seen the word used as an insult. But it is primarily a proper term to refer to cholas, which is an ethnic group in South America, to reduce it to just a slur seems unfair to me. 

Within the context of Born This Way, chola isn't problematic, there's nothing offensive about being "chola descent", she's listing ethnic groups in that part of the song, not slurs . No idea about "orient made" though, I don't know if such term ever had negative connotations or not. 

I know you know  I was agreeing with you, sorry I didn’t make that clear! I think the problem lies in the misappropriation of the term, which is used in a generic way in many places, without considering the specificities that exist in each ethnic group, which also highlights prejudice and discrimination against people with Spanish ancestry. On the other hand, the word “chola” in Bolivia is a symbol of cultural identity. That’s why context matters. And I agree, BTW lyrics were written in a context of inclusion. Some words are problematic nowadays, but we all know that Gaga meant well. It does not lessen the pain of those who feel offended though. 

As for the “orient made”, @Broncopointed that “oriental” was used as a slur by colonizing nations during the 19th and 20th centuries. I didn’t know that either. 

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The Beyoncé stans on this site are the biggest hypocrites, they're the first to jump on Gaga for the smallest things (even when it's a non-issue), but make sure to attack anyone who dares to criticize Bey, even when she does something indefensible like this 

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I wish people would spend the same energy and time over a shirt, on important stuff, like actual native american activism, if you care so much about them.

the shirt is not the problem, a beyonce backlash will not solve the native's problems.

What have you done to help the Apache Stronghold to protect Oak Flat? 

online activism is so tiring, especially when it's involved celebrities 

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13 hours ago, MaybeKermit said:

I doubt she read the text lol, if anything it seems more like a stylist’s fault

Wasn't there a rumor that attributed to her illiteracy or at least a certain degree of reading incomprehension? I ask seriously

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13 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

so she's a puppet that wears what her stylists say with no interest or opinion? crazy to think that somebody with such a carefully crafted and manufactured image like Beyonce doesn't have interest in what she wears and the messages it sends

I'm so shocked they made a mistake. Beyoncé and Taylor are the only pop stars that have such carefully curated PR.

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1 hour ago, tlittlemonster said:

I'm an Asian living in Europe and I have no problem about this term being used in a song about inclusivity, so why should you? 

It's tiring seeing all these "racially sensitive people" speaking for minorities like mine.

Anyone with a brain knows Gaga was empowering us rather than being insensitive with us.

Just because some American people 2 centuries ago used the term in a racist way doesn't mean we can no longer say I'm from an oriental country.

Quite the opposite, I take pride in that - if anyone says I'm from the Orient, I think about all the oriental beauty, cuisine and our kind people.

You're free to feel about that term how you want. No one is saying they have a problem with that term in general. Rugs, furniture, aesthetics, etc... are still labeled as oriental and that's still correct. All I said was it's not just an American sensitivity thing because thats verifiably not true. 

Scholars and common sense has taught me that using "oriental" to refer to people is outdated and since I'm not any kind of Asian, I'm going to take advice from scholars with background and experience before I listen to tlittlemonster from ggd. Respectfully ✨️

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1 hour ago, Lady Gaga 2009 said:

The Beyoncé stans on this site are the biggest hypocrites, they're the first to jump on Gaga for the smallest things (even when it's a non-issue), but make sure to attack anyone who dares to criticize Bey, even when she does something indefensible like this 

Indefensible? As in cancel her? 
it’s not that we’re hypocrites…it’s that we have cognitive thinking skills. Yes, it’s odd, and in bad taste, but do you genuinely in your heart believe that Beyoncé has a disdain for native Americans? Honestly?

It’s obviously a PR oopsie. This era is about African Americans’ underplayed, and undervalued contributions to American history, culture, and more specifically, country music be it BAD or good. I liken it to people wearing 70’s rock band tees and having not a single clue who that band is. Let’s be real, there’s a very good chance her and/or someone on her team were lacking in the context department. AND YOU, AND @lastpopicon KNOW THAT . It’s obviously an oversight, and it’s offensive, but what do you want us to do? Do you think we should all burn her house down, bar her from ever touring, remove her music from all streaming platforms? 
“they're the first to jump on Gaga for the smallest things (even when it's a non-issue)“, I’d like to remind you of a little tune called DWUW…we were all arguably mature enough to move on, and forgive that entire debacle which was OBJECTIVELY worse than this t-shirt/IG post. Silent on Gaza. Silent on Iran. Silent on the very real issue of the American economy that is draining the same people she’s asking to buy merch and outrageously priced tickets. This could be said about all of these artists. 
The REAL issue is people on the internet and celebrity gossip forums have an insatiable lust to tear female artists apart, and this time it’s someone you immaturely view as “competition” to a celebrity you have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with. It’s not that we can’t handle criticism of Beyoncé…it’s that you lot have a feral, excited reaction to any criticism of Beyoncé or any other artist that isn’t Gaga. 
AND if the mods of this site wanted better for this community they’d crack down on these threads meant to conjure up all of this negativity not just about Beyoncé, but Cardi B, Azealia Banks, Jay Z, Rita Ora, Nicki Minaj etc. We all have social media profiles, and we all see trending topics and gossip on other platforms. We don’t need it here too. This should not be yet another place where we’re fed the same tired, stupid hot topics to rage bait us. GGD is just as bad as barbz on twitter, worldstar, or the shade room at this point.

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23 minutes ago, chronic said:

Indefensible? As in cancel her? 
it’s not that we’re hypocrites…it’s that we have cognitive thinking skills. Yes, it’s odd, and in bad taste, but do you genuinely in your heart believe that Beyoncé has a disdain for native Americans? Honestly?

It’s obviously a PR oopsie. This era is about African Americans’ underplayed, and undervalued contributions to American history, culture, and more specifically, country music be it BAD or good. I liken it to people wearing 70’s rock band tees and having not a single clue who that band is. Let’s be real, there’s a very good chance her and/or someone on her team were lacking in the context department. AND YOU, AND @lastpopicon KNOW THAT . It’s obviously an oversight, and it’s offensive, but what do you want us to do? Do you think we should all burn her house down, bar her from ever touring, remove her music from all streaming platforms? 
“they're the first to jump on Gaga for the smallest things (even when it's a non-issue)“, I’d like to remind you of a little tune called DWUW…we were all arguably mature enough to move on, and forgive that entire debacle which was OBJECTIVELY worse than this t-shirt/IG post. Silent on Gaza. Silent on Iran. Silent on the very real issue of the American economy that is draining the same people she’s asking to buy merch and outrageously priced tickets. This could be said about all of these artists. 
The REAL issue is people on the internet and celebrity gossip forums have an insatiable lust to tear female artists apart, and this time it’s someone you immaturely view as “competition” to a celebrity you have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with. It’s not that we can’t handle criticism of Beyoncé…it’s that you lot have a feral, excited reaction to any criticism of Beyoncé or any other artist that isn’t Gaga. 
AND if the mods of this site wanted better for this community they’d crack down on these threads meant to conjure up all of this negativity not just about Beyoncé, but Cardi B, Azealia Banks, Jay Z, Rita Ora, Nicki Minaj etc. We all have social media profiles, and we all see trending topics and gossip on other platforms. We don’t need it here too. This should not be yet another place where we’re fed the same tired, stupid hot topics to rage bait us. GGD is just as bad as barbz on twitter, worldstar, or the shade room at this point. I’m not really sure how someone who runs a teletubbies @Teletubbyfan page on twitter benefits from posting trashy celebrity threads (that are suspiciously almost always about an artist of color) on a Lady Gaga forum, but this site used to be about *ehem* LADY GAGA. Speculation about her new music, collaborations, her rise as a star, fan art, remixes, interviews etc….this place sucks now. 

Oh, now we know its a oversight?

Also, its very telling you bring up gaga's "Silent on Gaza. Silent on Iran. Silent on the very real issue of the American economy that is draining the same people she’s asking to buy merch and outrageously priced tickets. This could be said about all of these artists. " It almost surprises me you dont call her a zionist.

 

I dont really care about your performative post lmao  

Edited Tuesday at 12:30 AM by lastpopicon

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1 minute ago, lastpopicon said:

Oh, now we know it’s an oversight?

 

When did I say otherwise? 

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30 minutes ago, chronic said:

AND if the mods of this site wanted better for this community they’d crack down on these threads meant to conjure up all of this negativity not just about Beyoncé, but Cardi B, Azealia Banks, 

Azealia banks?  

Girl......

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4 minutes ago, chronic said:

When did I say otherwise? 

wut  you said you know we know it's a obvious oversight, i'm just using your words.

31 minutes ago, chronic said:

“they're the first to jump on Gaga for the smallest things (even when it's a non-issue)“, I’d like to remind you of a little tune called DWUW…we were all arguably mature enough to move on, and forgive that entire 

And ofc this is also here, missed in the sea ramblings 

Any more gaga's attacks for today? 

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Just now, RenegAde said:

Azealia banks?  

Girl......

Yeah. We get it. She’s toxic af. Do we really need to see thread after thread every time she posts a problematic tweet? We all know.  She’s bad.