Beyoncé criticised for calling indigenous people enemies of peace

[tlittlemonster 1,475]

6 hours ago, MaybeKermit said:

I doubt she read the text lol, if anything it seems more like a stylist’s fault

Well if you're going to make your tour about politics and black culture achievements, then you better know what you're talking about and celebrating so things like this don't happen.

[hamartia 1,070]

3 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Isn't it more the "ennemies of peace" part that is bashed here rather than the dated term to describe them tho?

If she wanted to show a part of US history black people get erased from in textbooks she's right but too bad it includes a term that's so sadly ironic for a massacred group.

I don't really mean the words themselves, just that you can try to express a progressive message but shoot yourself in the foot whilst doing so. As Gaga stans, we should wary of trying to take the moral high ground here lol 

[Guillaume Hamon 6,442]

Just now, hamartia said:

I don't really mean the words themselves, just that you can try to express a progressive message but shoot yourself in the foot whilst doing so. As Gaga stans, we should wary of trying to take the moral high ground here lol 

Yeah indeed.

Gaga should have be more careful with terms and Bey should have red it all lol.

I thought Gaga dropped these terms while singing BTW... 

[tlittlemonster 1,475]

1 hour ago, hamartia said:

We literally stan someone who still sings chola and orient-made in her song  

Sometimes efforts to be racially inclusive can accidentally be racially insensitive. We should know this lol 

How are either of those terms racist or racially incentive?

She was simply trying to include as many people as possible

I'm Arab and can't even think of why saying "orient-made" would be offensive to anyone? In fact, the term is quite cute and it makes me proud that it's in the song

There is a huge line between listing different groups of people in a song about inclusivity vs wearing a t shirt celebrating the death of hundreds of innocent people in their own land 

[HeavyCapiLover 3,542]

Even thought I loved cowboy carter, I was always critical of beyonce's discourse about reclaiming the American flag and averything around it for black people, but letting behind the question of native americans and mexicans. She did also have this discourse earlier on reclaiming some aristocratic imagery for black people. But do you want equality, or just a higher place for black people in the racial hierarchy, allowing them to use the same imperialist and capitalist structure that withe people have against them ? Thats the problem that I always had with beyonce's aproach, beside the fact that I am a fan of her music

[high culture 2,153]

A not broken clock is still wrong sometimes 💔

[Bronco 10,331]

1 hour ago, Mister G said:

That first user you quote has been spotted reposting s*** from Stephen Miller. Yes THAT Stephen Miller, so I'll let people do with that information as they see fit.

Their entire account is insane tbf

[Bronco 10,331]

34 minutes ago, tlittlemonster said:

How are either of those terms racist or racially incentive?

She was simply trying to include as many people as possible

I'm Arab and can't even think of why saying "orient-made" would be offensive to anyone? In fact, the term is quite cute and it makes me proud that it's in the song

There is a huge line between listing different groups of people in a song about inclusivity vs wearing a t shirt celebrating the death of hundreds of innocent people in their own land 

Oriental as a label for far east asians was used as a slur by colonising nations for the majority of the 19th and 20th centuries.

 

[ALGAYDO 32,200]

It’s Beyonce so she gets a pass for this sh*t. You disagree? You’re racist! lol 

[lastpopicon 29,274]

ngl, people defending this is wild, and some of the people who are defending shade gaga for the smallest ****, even working with tom cruise 

The double standards yall have are starting the become sooo apparent 

[lastpopicon 29,274]

But let's not talk to much against beyonce, people might get upset and emotional 

 

And tbh, hope gaga uses telephone on another artist, i don't want our gar being associated with warring indians narratives 

[Lil1th 517]

3 hours ago, hamartia said:

We literally stan someone who still sings chola and orient-made in her song  

Sometimes efforts to be racially inclusive can accidentally be racially insensitive. We should know this lol 

Except this shirt is the opposite of racial inclusion, not just about using outdated or incorrect terminology.

[OliviaRodrigoStan 6,555]

A mess, but she probably never read the text, let her be 

[Lil1th 517]

7 hours ago, palma said:

I think she's just poorly informed - that being said you cannot claim to be a leading public artist when you don't have the intellectual investment in what you preach. This entire era feels like a very performative response to the MAGA madness going on and it's exactly why her international fans (me included) don't give a damn about it. Lemonade had the right tone and cadence. "Black people are also (and better) patriots throughout US history" is not a very good point to raise when American patriotism, as in any nationalist ideology, involves embracing crimes against humanity and wrapping it up in a fancy star-spangled package. 

Yes, but MAGA wants us to believe Patriotism = Nationalism and that the US can do no wrong, which isn't true. 

[OliviaRodrigoStan 6,555]

3 hours ago, hamartia said:

We literally stan someone who still sings chola

Chola might be considered a slur in North America, but it is certainly not in South America. Chola refers to indigenous women and it very much isn't an insult in Bolivia: 

I know that in certain North American countries, like Mexico or U.S.A. the term has negative connotations, but it isn't the case in South America. "Chola/Cholita" are descriptive terms, not pejorative.