Katy Perry's manager talks about negativity during release of 143

[Teletubby 152,809]

31 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Did Kesha even try to prove that he did anything? Genuinely asking 'cause I didn't tune in much (avoiding triggers) so I don't know.

I always thought the only thing she wanted was freedom from her contract that said she had to work with him.

Kesha's claims were dismissed because of time limits. 
one of Kesha's former managers said she told them in 2005 that she had been sexually abused by Luke and did not want to work with him x.com

[Gorehound 4,768]

1 hour ago, freebit said:

Between this guy & that insane interview with her A&R guy last summer (where he defended Luke, & claimed Lifetimes was a "club hit across the med" lmao), the people she's surrounded by are out-of-touch, delusional, enablers. It's easy to see how she ended up making such a terrible decision by having a whole album produced by Luke. That said, at this point, she is 40-years old, and she's not stupid - these are conscious decisions, so I'm not laying it all on them either. 

I don't know her obviously, and she definitely seems to be surrounded by out-of-touch enablers and yes men. But no offence she does comes across as pretty stupid ,  not just with the whole WW and 143 scandal, but with multiple other things throughout her career too. 

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[PartySick 162,472]

6 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

The difference being that when someone was exposed for what they were Gaga cut off all contact with said person and made a huge public apology. Even going so far as to delete their collaboration from ARTPOP, she didn’t even replace the song with her Christina feat.

Gaga has literally never continued working with someone after heinous things were found out against them. The latest example being Richy who got canned after what he did.

Having said that I couldn’t care less about Katy. She can get hate she can get love I don’t really care but when people try to do whataboutism using Gaga as an example it just doesn’t make sense to me

I mean...it's not really a hill I care to die on so feel free to ignore but R. Kelly was very well known for being a creep when Gaga worked with him. I even remember in the mid-2000s one of my favorite shows, The Boondocks, had a whole (satirical) episode dedicated to him being a predator. It's a huge part of the reason she wanted him on the song about rumors and the media twisting the truth.

And she still has a tattoo of a man that slept with minors, even if he was on drugs and it was "normal" for 20-30 year olds to sleep with teenagers in the 70s. 

It's ok to admit she's not perfect. In a way it makes her work all that more meaningful. Either way, again, not a hill I'm willing to die on 'cause I don't really hold much against her for it.

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tbh she's just another example of today's weird phenomena of people trying to do everything in their power to stay relevant not shying away from doing controversial collabs or career moves and then sell that to the public as if they've always been good people. Maybe change your label if you are pushed to do this or even if not then just do not work with these known abusers and stop the cashflow. Acting surprised rather than actually acknowledging that they did something wrong just shows how toxic she and the people around her really are

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35 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Bowie himself admitted that he did so many drugs that he rarely checked if they were an adult. He was so remorseful over it that he donated a lot of money to SA relief funds but idk, it doesn't change the fact that he did it.

One of them was a 14 year old child model. 14 when they met, idk if she was 14 when they had sex. 

I don't know of any other specific stories but yeah, Bowie basically admitted it.

At least he owned up to it and was remorseful, and tried to make amends through charity.

Bowie had massive drug problems in his earlier days (and big drugs too, such as heroine) so I'm not surprised he did some f*cked up stuff. 

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Just now, Gorehound said:

At least he owned up to it and was remorseful, and tried to make amends through charity.

Bowie had massive drug problems in his earlier days (and big drugs too, such as heroine) so I'm not surprised he did some f*cked up stuff. 

It's a really hard thing to atone for in my eyes but that's just my perspective.

I don't know much about him beyond the few things Gaga's been a part of.

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1 minute ago, PartySick said:

It's a really hard thing to atone for in my eyes but that's just my perspective.

I don't know much about him beyond the few things Gaga's been a part of.

Of course it is, but at least he tried. And owing up to it rather than lying is admirable imo.

Serious drug addiction can make a monster out of anyone. And the rock/pop and groupie culture at the time was heavily drug fuelled, twisted and problematic. I bet there's a lot more that went on with many artists that we still don't know about. 

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I really don’t think Katy is a bad person or meant to cause harm, I think she is a generally nice person and someone who people truly are too harsh on however she made a decision and it has consequences and she faced the consequences. 

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50 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I mean...it's not really a hill I care to die on so feel free to ignore but R. Kelly was very well known for being a creep when Gaga worked with him. I even remember in the mid-2000s one of my favorite shows, The Boondocks, had a whole (satirical) episode dedicated to him being a predator. It's a huge part of the reason she wanted him on the song about rumors and the media twisting the truth.

And she still has a tattoo of a man that slept with minors, even if he was on drugs and it was "normal" for 20-30 year olds to sleep with teenagers in the 70s. 

It's ok to admit she's not perfect. In a way it makes her work all that more meaningful. Either way, again, not a hill I'm willing to die on 'cause I don't really hold much against her for it.

you brought 2 example of people who did mistakes, admitted, apologized, lost money, fans, good pr, everything. while katy didn't she basically told everyone to f-ck off, nobody expected her to remove luke's songs from her catalog, nobody expected her to hold kesha hands, but after everything, even dragging gaga into court, shaming her to all the world to see, treating kesha as a liar, then the moment the lawsuit between kesha and luke was settled with kesha basically losing everything, katy ran back to the arms of a rapist. so far gaga didn't run back to r kelly for a song.

we can bring it up over and over, it's a stain of gaga's career and we can't ignore it, but we can't use it to compare it with katy's new album, a self aware choice to work with a rapist and defend him in every occasion

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44 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I mean...it's not really a hill I care to die on so feel free to ignore but R. Kelly was very well known for being a creep when Gaga worked with him. I even remember in the mid-2000s one of my favorite shows, The Boondocks, had a whole (satirical) episode dedicated to him being a predator. It's a huge part of the reason she wanted him on the song about rumors and the media twisting the truth.

And she still has a tattoo of a man that slept with minors, even if he was on drugs and it was "normal" for 20-30 year olds to sleep with teenagers in the 70s. 

It's ok to admit she's not perfect. In a way it makes her work all that more meaningful. Either way, again, not a hill I'm willing to die on 'cause I don't really hold much against her for it.

Gaga was aware of the R Kelly situation but she didn’t believe in it which is why she called them rumors and the media twisting the truth. Once the R Kelly documentary dropped with more info on everything that is when she publicly apologized. She didn’t make up excuses and try to hand wave it away as “mindless hating” unlike Katy and her team.

Honestly this is the first time I’ve heard about the David Bowie thing. Gaga probably doesn’t know either. Based on her currently flawless record of cutting off horrendous people I’m going to go with her not knowing about Bowie.

What is this logic that you’re using? You disagree with me so you must think that everything Gaga does is perfect? I can turn that around on you and say that there’s no need to hate on everything Gaga does and how that mindset can poison your outlook on her. The difference is that I didn’t use that kind of logic on you because that’s just dumb.

This is a hill I’m not trying to die on either but if I disagree with someone here then I’m gonna quote them 

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i will say katy just could have not worked with him or at least diversify from him and added more producers it rly was that easy for someone at her caliber and access, she rly can’t play the kim petras card that’s the difference 

 

 

and the difference between her and gaga although gaga had poor timing if u rly wanna b negative is gaga distanced herself and removed that from all catalogues, katy’s lack there of means that she clearly is still understanding or complicit in being like well he didn’t “r word me” so he can’t b THAT bad is what continuing to work with him says compared to 

 

gaga who removes that song to set example that she is distancing herself and she does believe that people who came forward 

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So I’m taking this as they learned literally nothing? Cool. 

Also I really don’t want to contribute to the r. k*lly discussion here but I’m pretty sure her entire tirade about “wanting him” on the song was some pr crap she came up with because she loves making storylines for her songs/collabs to make them appear more authentic - especially around ARTPOP. She was clearly not in her best mind as she also accepted later on but I really think it was interscope pulling the strings to put him back on the market. I also faintly remember the feature being Tara’s suggestion but that too always sounded made-up to me  She was just too proud to admit she agreed to her label’s suggestion imo.

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2 hours ago, Gagarka said:

The key word is “alleged.” He has not been proven to have done what he is accused of doing. But people don't want to think, they want to base it on their own emotions (in which there is no thinking) and believe victims who accuse others. If the court had found that Luke did all the things Kesha accused him of - then I would understand this flood of hate. But when nothing has been proven and you are hysterically proving that the person is guilty - it's just your emotions that you haven't learned to control (as adults you should learn to do that). Always remember the Michael Jackson case. Almost everyone believed he was guilty, the victims made it look like Michael did all the things he was accused of. But in the end, he won. 

I agree with what you are saying, but that’s from a legal standpoint. In the end, his reputation was completely tarnished (he even counter sued Kesha for defamation, which is another case that got nowhere, so how would we know its not true either?), and for anyone to still want to work with him, knowing the public sentiment surrounding him, basically was asking to be torn to shreds too.
 

Anyone on Katy’s team must have known that from a societal POV, it was always going to affect the album’s performance based on his reputation alone. It wasn’t a smart business move (and it never will be for anyone in the future). Sometimes the legal outcome will never suffice to mend what the public already believes, wether courts agree or not, and as business experts they should’ve known that.

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When you collaborate with a "problematic" individual and release generally tepid and uninspired music, it tends to result in negative feedback.

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3 hours ago, PartySick said:

It's weird how much hate she gets honestly.

It is weird, you'd think it would be more