Ariana Grande-Butera is now a SAG Awards nominee

[Kayi 1,312]

41 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It hasn't been debunked, his wife says it happened and regardless of whether they'd already broken up or not, he still walked out on his infant when his wife needed the most help, to focus on a new relationship with his co-worker. At the very least, he could have seen Ariana occasionally until his child was a bit older. But clearly, they both wanted it all now. I hold Ethan in much worse regard but Ariana was married too and she and her husband were very much still together, a fact her fans like to forget. Along with all the other times that she stole someone else's man. This is at least the third time she's done this. And she did lick that doughnut that was going to be served to other people and said she hates America, we've got video proof of it and she had to apologise for it. For a lot of people, that would have majorly affected their career. None of this is worth defending and has no connection to her getting nominated for acting awards. And you don't have to be a Republican to believe this so I don't know what the relevance was of you bringing it up.

The ppl in comments were literally Republican, I didn't assumed that like that, I saw that they posted other trash things about democrats and were licking the b**t of Trump, the same kind of ppl who spam that Gaga is a man and unacttractive on other Bing articles, etc... 

I think that seduction things doesn't truly concern us, as long if it's not abuse. The ex-wife and himself will probably able to rebuild their lives, and as long as he takes care of his son, there's nothing else they can do now. Ppl make mistakes, sometimes they make a lot of mistakes... But it doesn't exclude the fact that they're humans, diabolizing human mistakes who doesn't destroy other ppl lives, is weird to me. And I'm not saying that to defend Ariana (I like her but I'm not a die-hard fan of her), I just try to not figure the world with a manichean prism. 

The culture of saying outrageous things isn't unfamiliar to us... I mean... We all know the crazy allegations against Gaga and other popstars bc they trolled a lot ppl with the Illuminati thing back in 2010s... You're right Ariana apologized, so why does ppl keep talking about it ? Bc they're a Republican and probably a boomer, and probably a Facebook Transvestigator. I'm apolitical so in fact I'm neither a democrat or a republican but I do think that Transvestigators clowns are just a bunch of ppl of ppl who have these opinions bc you know Ariana Grande is a "threat" to traditional values while the ex-wife is more "relatable" bc she gave birth. I mean Candace Owen used the "traditional values" to say that Kesha lied about Dr Luke who's an "innocent" father... 

Gosh Transvestigators freaks... Maybe I'm head-canonly trans and I don't even know that, too bad that I'm not celebrity just for this. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:42 PM by Kayi

[Jill 26,980]

5 hours ago, Wixson said:

Congrats to her, but I really don't see neither Cynthia nor Ariana making it to the Oscars. Maybe they get nomimated, but not a chance in hell this type of movie is winning acting awards from any of the major organizations. Her fans might be in for a rude awakening. 

Well, Gaga won an Oscar for Best Actress and so did Bradley for Best Actor and Best Director, plus ASIB won for Best Picture, so it's definitely not unheard of

[StrawberryBlond 14,192]

1 hour ago, Kayi said:

The ppl in comments were literally Republican, I didn't assumed that like that, I saw that they posted other trash things about democrats and were licking the b**t of Trump, the same kind of ppl who spam that Gaga is a man and unacttractive on other Bing articles, etc... 

I think that seduction things doesn't truly concern us, as long if it's not abuse. The ex-wife and himself will probably able to rebuild their lives, and as long as he takes care of his son, there's nothing else they can do now. Ppl make mistakes, sometimes they make a lot of mistakes... But it doesn't exclude the fact that they're humans, diabolizing human mistakes who doesn't destroy other ppl lives, is weird to me. And I'm not saying that to defend Ariana (I like her but I'm not a die-hard fan of her), I just try to not figure the world with a manichean prism. 

The culture of saying outrageous things isn't unfamiliar to us... I mean... We all know the crazy allegations against Gaga and other popstars bc they trolled a lot ppl with the Illuminati thing back in 2010s... You're right Ariana apologized, so why does ppl keep talking about it ? Bc they're a Republican and probably a boomer, and probably a Facebook Transvestigator. I'm apolitical so in fact I'm neither a democrat or a republican but I do think that Transvestigators clowns are just a bunch of ppl of ppl who have these opinions bc you know Ariana Grande is a "threat" to traditional values while the ex-wife is more "relatable" bc she gave birth. I mean Candace Owen used the "traditional values" to say that Kesha lied about Dr Luke who's an "innocent" father... 

Gosh Transvestigators freaks... Maybe I'm head-canonly trans and I don't even know that, too bad that I'm not celebrity just for this. 

I just mean that mentioning their political beliefs has no relevance when it comes to disapproving of a celebrity that's done things that most people would agree are awful. I'm not a Republican or a boomer and I'm disapproving of what Ariana's done. A strong moral compass should have no bearing on what your politics are. I think celebrities aren't worshipped as much as they used to be in general, we're calling them out a whole lot more than we used to and starting to say, no, you've gone too far this time. One day, our generations are going to be considered boomers, so maybe best not to look down on people from previous generations or think that when they were born nullifies whatever they have to say. 

I'd actually say that cheating can destroy lives, especially when children are involved. That child will never know of a life with their mother and father at home and have a negative view of their father for walking out and depriving them of a two parent household and of putting their mother out of pocket. I've rarely found people from these set-ups who have good relationships with their fathers and some had to struggle financially under a single parent household. To be ok with having an affair and having a man leave his wife for you is just horrific. I just couldn't do that to another person, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. And I just don't think people who do these things should be supported. Maybe to some, that's too harsh, but we all have our moral compass. If anyone still wants to support her and separate her music and film roles from her as a person, I can deal with that if they could at least admit that Ariana and Ethan did cheat on their respective partners. But the denial and the gaslighting of people who can chronicle the way things actually were with a few simple online searches...that's where I draw the line.

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6 hours ago, Wixson said:

Congrats to her, but I really don't see neither Cynthia nor Ariana making it to the Oscars. Maybe they get nomimated, but not a chance in hell this type of movie is winning acting awards from any of the major organizations. Her fans might be in for a rude awakening. 

What's wrong with the type of movie? 

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It hasn't been debunked, his wife says it happened and regardless of whether they'd already broken up or not, he still walked out on his infant when his wife needed the most help, to focus on a new relationship with his co-worker. At the very least, he could have seen Ariana occasionally until his child was a bit older. But clearly, they both wanted it all now. I hold Ethan in much worse regard but Ariana was married too and she and her husband were very much still together, a fact her fans like to forget. Along with all the other times that she stole someone else's man. This is at least the third time she's done this. And she did lick that doughnut that was going to be served to other people and said she hates America, we've got video proof of it and she had to apologise for it. For a lot of people, that would have majorly affected their career. None of this is worth defending and has no connection to her getting nominated for acting awards. And you don't have to be a Republican to believe this so I don't know what the relevance was of you bringing it up.

I was thinking the same. It blows my mind that this movie is being nominated for anything other than its technical, clothing and make up awards, honestly. Its acting is a very specific, OTT, borderline ridiculous acting as befits such a campy musical. This kinda stuff never gets nominated for major awards so the fact its got this far is very strange. I'm still believing it will miss out on actual Oscars for its acting and if it does, it'll make me think I'm no longer going crazy. I'm also saying that they may get nominations from major committees but not actually win. If Gaga and many other singers turned actresses couldn't get an Oscar straight out the gate, neither should Ariana. Just like the others, it should be a long slog until you do something truly outstanding.

Where is the proof that Ariana was still with Dalton when she started seeing Ethan? Also, who is to say that Ethan and Ariana were officially together when they started being seen together? I feel like a lot of assumptions are made there. And we're all still ignoring the fact that Ariana was liking posts about domestic abuse before speculation about her and Ethan even started circulating? 

 

 

I also don't understand why this movie couldn't win any "real" awards, it's regarded as an amazing movie. Even the straight men I've talked to about it said "I've actually heard it was really good, even from people not into musicals". And this isn't questionable straight men that flirt with you when they're bored, it's blue collar "manly" men. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,192]

1 hour ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

Where is the proof that Ariana was still with Dalton when she started seeing Ethan? Also, who is to say that Ethan and Ariana were officially together when they started being seen together? I feel like a lot of assumptions are made there. And we're all still ignoring the fact that Ariana was liking posts about domestic abuse before speculation about her and Ethan even started circulating? 

 

 

I also don't understand why this movie couldn't win any "real" awards, it's regarded as an amazing movie. Even the straight men I've talked to about it said "I've actually heard it was really good, even from people not into musicals". And this isn't questionable straight men that flirt with you when they're bored, it's blue collar "manly" men. 

Dalton visited Ariana on set during filming, flying all the way from LA to London and you wouldn't do that for someone you'd broken up with. Dalton and Ariana also did double dates with Ethan and Lilly, there's a pap photo of them all walking away together and you definitely don't do that with someone you're no longer with. There was articles that came out saying Ariana and Ethan had been spotted canoodling and were all over each other on set and at Michelle Yeoh's party. Ariana posted a photo on social media of her and Ethan kissing with the caption "I love him so" on their anniversary in May 2023, just 2 months before her and Ethan's relationship was officially revealed by the press. Note that the press announced it, not them. Ariana had made no mention of an official break up before then. Suddenly, there was backtracking with the press then declaring that they'd broken up back in January, even though again, Ariana put up a picture of them together in May. Ethan officially filed for divorce in July and Ariana did hers in September. And you can totally like posts about domestic abuse without being in an abusive relationship. You can respond to that stuff in an empathic way even if it doesn't apply to you. She could even have related to it based on past relationships. There is no proof that she was enduring abuse and she's never claimed to.

As for it not deserving to win any big awards, musicals like this never do this well so it's surprising that this one is. They are very niche and very polarizing. I'm not an anti-musicals person but this kind of musical is NOT something I would like. From the clips I have seen of the acting, it's that deliberately OTT acting that isn't coming from a real place. Works for a fun movie, but not the weighty, emotional stuff that wins serious awards. People hearing that it's good vs. actually watching the whole 2 hour movie for themselves are two very different things.

[Kayi 1,312]

7 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I just mean that mentioning their political beliefs has no relevance when it comes to disapproving of a celebrity that's done things that most people would agree are awful. I'm not a Republican or a boomer and I'm disapproving of what Ariana's done. A strong moral compass should have no bearing on what your politics are. I think celebrities aren't worshipped as much as they used to be in general, we're calling them out a whole lot more than we used to and starting to say, no, you've gone too far this time. One day, our generations are going to be considered boomers, so maybe best not to look down on people from previous generations or think that when they were born nullifies whatever they have to say. 

I'd actually say that cheating can destroy lives, especially when children are involved. That child will never know of a life with their mother and father at home and have a negative view of their father for walking out and depriving them of a two parent household and of putting their mother out of pocket. I've rarely found people from these set-ups who have good relationships with their fathers and some had to struggle financially under a single parent household. To be ok with having an affair and having a man leave his wife for you is just horrific. I just couldn't do that to another person, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. And I just don't think people who do these things should be supported. Maybe to some, that's too harsh, but we all have our moral compass. If anyone still wants to support her and separate her music and film roles from her as a person, I can deal with that if they could at least admit that Ariana and Ethan did cheat on their respective partners. But the denial and the gaslighting of people who can chronicle the way things actually were with a few simple online searches...that's where I draw the line.

I mentioned "Republican" and "boomer" to refers to the ppl who literally bully trans ppl by saying they're devilish and associate it to their fanatsies with Hollywood "occult sects". I do see them as hypocritical cause they constantly insults innocent ppl and then say "You're a cheater" and then praise Trump an abuser... Yep I agree questionning celebrities is right since so much powerful ppl turned out to be abusers, but celebrities gossips has nothing to do with that.

I never said that cheating was ok. It's just a weakness, cheaters can only blame themselves bc they did a bad choice in their life by being liars. But what I meant is that they're human, that's why they did that, I'm not manichean and assume that they're bad ppl for these reasons. 

Actually, the reason why this kid parents are divorced now, is just bc the dad probably cheated bc he wasn't satisfied of his relationship. He didn't d worded, disapeared or turned out to be criminal, a cheater father isn't nice but it's common to have parents divorced bc they were no longer happy together. Actually both of his parents seems to be wealthy, and nothing hinted that Ethan won't take care of his son. Yep it can create some form of regret to not having his parents together, but we also don't know if his mom won't find someone else. But assuming that his life is ruined is pretty much excessive. I'm convinced that Ethan won't leave his son like that, even legally he has to give taxes to his ex-wife and son, if I'm not wrong.

Actually there's one case of father-son dysfunctional relationship that terrified me, it's Alain Delon who never recognized the son he had with Nico, Ari Boulogne, this poor guy was left to his mom which wasn't serious anymore, then he became a crackhead. Delon didn't send him money or attention. And this guy d worded in the indifference. He was a photographer and had a wife and kids, if I'm not wrong. Poor guy...

Actually in Western countries, I feel like most of the couple ends-up to divorce despite having childs and thanksfully not everyone end-up like that.

But what I don't understand is that why does ppl care so much about gossips at the point to bully Ariana, Ethan or the ex-wife for something that doesn't even concerns us.

Edited 18 hours ago by Kayi

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She was young and stupid when she did the doughnut thing, yea her cheating is a shitfest red flag, but hey, I don't see anyone putting whats his face ability to act due to the cheating. 

As for the awards.. its an amazing remake of one of the most loved musicals in history, why are y'all shocked about the fanfare? I'm sure Gaga would get the same praise if she did something like that, cause believe it or not, most people enjoy a silly camp movie a bit more  than a serious biography or whatever Joker 2 was. Idk I think in her upcoming roles and perhaps in general Gaga should have fun, loosen up a bit and be a bit more ridiculous. 

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12 hours ago, Kayi said:

I mentioned "Republican" and "boomer" to refers to the ppl who literally bully trans ppl by saying they're devilish and associate it to their fanatsies with Hollywood "occult sects". I do see them as hypocritical cause they constantly insults innocent ppl and then say "You're a cheater" and then praise Trump an abuser... Yep I agree questionning celebrities is right since so much powerful ppl turned out to be abusers, but celebrities gossips has nothing to do with that.

I never said that cheating was ok. It's just a weakness, cheaters can only blame themselves bc they did a bad choice in their life by being liars. But what I meant is that they're human, that's why they did that, I'm not manichean and assume that they're bad ppl for these reasons. 

Actually, the reason why this kid parents are divorced now, is just bc the dad probably cheated bc he wasn't satisfied of his relationship. He didn't d worded, disapeared or turned out to be criminal, a cheater father isn't nice but it's common to have parents divorced bc they were no longer happy together. Actually both of his parents seems to be wealthy, and nothing hinted that Ethan won't take care of his son. Yep it can create some form of regret to not having his parents together, but we also don't know if his mom won't find someone else. But assuming that his life is ruined is pretty much excessive. I'm convinced that Ethan won't leave his son like that, even legally he has to give taxes to his ex-wife and son, if I'm not wrong.

Actually there's one case of father-son dysfunctional relationship that terrified me, it's Alain Delon who never recognized the son he had with Nico, Ari Boulogne, this poor guy was left to his mom which wasn't serious anymore, then he became a crackhead. Delon didn't send him money or attention. And this guy d worded in the indifference. He was a photographer and had a wife and kids, if I'm not wrong. Poor guy...

Actually in Western countries, I feel like most of the couple ends-up to divorce despite having childs and thanksfully not everyone end-up like that.

But what I don't understand is that why does ppl care so much about gossips at the point to bully Ariana, Ethan or the ex-wife for something that doesn't even concerns us.

Just know that it's not just Republicans and boomers who are disapproving of their actions, so it shouldn't be framed as only something to be believed if you're one of them. There has been some effort by her PR team to  gaslight the public and rewrite history but all the info is out there and we remember when it happened in real time, we just need to be reminded.

It's funny how I've seen the "why should you be bothered, it doesn't concern you" response be trotted out so often in this case when it's considered 100% normal to stop support and cancel any other celebrity for similar behaviour, especially YouTubers. The public demand they apologise to their audience (and then say their apology is unacceptable) and make it clear they aren't welcome anymore and should be de-platformed. But it's ok when a singer does it, just because they're pretty and talented? A celebrity's career hinges on their ability to keep the public on their side, being well-liked is the entire point of being famous, so the public's opinion of them is paramount and keeps them famous. We buy/watch/listen to what they put out because we like them. If they do something that we disapprove of, we have every right to decide to no longer support them and make our opinions clear so they know they've done wrong (so many of them believe their status makes them invincible to wrongdoing). Not surprising that most people don't want to give their money to a homewrecker. The phrase "hit them where it hurts, their wallet" is a longstanding phrase for a reason. We wouldn't want to support a regular person on the street for this behaviour, we certainly shouldn't do the same for a celebrity. 

[Kayi 1,312]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Just know that it's not just Republicans and boomers who are disapproving of their actions, so it shouldn't be framed as only something to be believed if you're one of them. There has been some effort by her PR team to  gaslight the public and rewrite history but all the info is out there and we remember when it happened in real time, we just need to be reminded.

It's funny how I've seen the "why should you be bothered, it doesn't concern you" response be trotted out so often in this case when it's considered 100% normal to stop support and cancel any other celebrity for similar behaviour, especially YouTubers. The public demand they apologise to their audience (and then say their apology is unacceptable) and make it clear they aren't welcome anymore and should be de-platformed. But it's ok when a singer does it, just because they're pretty and talented? A celebrity's career hinges on their ability to keep the public on their side, being well-liked is the entire point of being famous, so the public's opinion of them is paramount and keeps them famous. We buy/watch/listen to what they put out because we like them. If they do something that we disapprove of, we have every right to decide to no longer support them and make our opinions clear so they know they've done wrong (so many of them believe their status makes them invincible to wrongdoing). Not surprising that most people don't want to give their money to a homewrecker. The phrase "hit them where it hurts, their wallet" is a longstanding phrase for a reason. We wouldn't want to support a regular person on the street for this behaviour, we certainly shouldn't do the same for a celebrity. 

Ok, everyone have their sensibilities and experiences, you have yours and I got mine. We all are built differently. But, I do not apply this only on Ariana Grande. As I said I'm not a die-hard fan of her but I liked her movie and her last album. I don't know everything about her relationship with this guy or about her previous relationship. I thought that the fans of Sabrina Carpenter were wrong when they bullied Barry Keoghan and his whole family bc he cheated. That's pure madness that parasocial fans on internet put so much energy to hate ppl for making human mistakes. Seduction is a way more complex than just a ring engagement or sweet promises, that's why pop culture is obsessed by sexuality, seduction, etc... Pop culture also tend to simplify these subjects, that's why the other popstars who promote hate culture against cheaters as empowerment. And that's their own experiences but their fans oftenly conform themselves to these mindsets. Some ppl criticized Lana Del Rey bc she romanticizes her toxic relationships and abuse. But it's just her own perception on her past experiences and now she seems happier. But I strongly agree with you, celebrities doesn't have the same way of life as us, so that's why they sometimes refuse to face the truth and refuse stop doing the same mistakes again and again. And personally, I had this mindset a way before all these gossip dramas happened and I hate the cancel culture. 

For exemple I hate when ppl apply their modern vision of morality on the past things. Changing books passages and titles, destroying statues, etc... is a big no to me. You can guess that I doesn't cancel everyday YouTubers bc they said some bad words or bc they have different opinions than mine. 

You know what, as a poc I don't even hate the racist, I tolerate them as long as they doesn't hurt me or other ppl. They can have very mean thoughts against my skin color but it doesn't mean they are totally bad persons. They can have other great moral principles and THAT'S WHY we can discuss and they can eventually overcoming prejudices. Respectful communication is super important to make the ppl realize sometimes that they are wrong. Not bullying.

I'm tolerant with small mistakes, mistakes that doesn't mean the end, etc... but I'm not tolerant with the promotion of abuse in art or if it turns out that a person caused abuse that destroyed the life of another person (r*pe, murder, v1olence, etc). Bc yes, we all are human, even the ones that do terrible things that seem inhumans are humans bc weakness and v1olence are a part of human's nature. But we live in a society that forbid these behaviors. We built rules to be sure that everyone has their free-will and if someone take your free-will and destroy your life, they doesn't deserves my sympathy.

So I can appreciate the artistry of some bad ppl (except if it romanticize their darkest sins) but I do not defend the human being and most of the time I listen to their music in a way to be sure that they doesn't earn more money.

When it come to judge intellectuals it's even harder to use the prism of the "cancel culture" thing cause they're more polarising figures than basic celebrities. They can have done some terrible things but they unironically also did things that spreaded a global positive effect. So are they good or bad ? I have no attachement to any philosophers, politicians, novelists, etc... bc I do not relate them, but I like some of their ideas or I like some part of their personalities, public persona, but that's all. Churchill is for exemple a very, very polarized figure despite being depicted as a hero most of the time.

I'm constantly thinking about these kind of ethics questions, I do not change my opinions just to fit to one celebtrity case. What's hard is trying to not take sides for one point of views.

I hope y'all won't hate me for giving my raw point of views 

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20 hours ago, Jill said:

Well, Gaga won an Oscar for Best Actress and so did Bradley for Best Actor and Best Director, plus ASIB won for Best Picture, so it's definitely not unheard of

You mean they won nominations, as none of them actually won the awards. 

 

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33 minutes ago, Franch Toast said:

You mean they won nominations, as none of them actually won the awards. 

 

What you mean? I clearly remember Gaga walking towards the stage to accept the award and falling down on her dress?

Here is the picture of the incident.

Stay pressed.

[Jill 26,980]

3 hours ago, Franch Toast said:

You mean they won nominations, as none of them actually won the awards. 

 

No, I mean they won the awards. A record, with 5 Oscars. How could I forget that night.

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