Energy crisis in Transnistria, as a result of Gazprom ceasing supply

[Jill 31,812]

21 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

You literally scanned the site to be outraged about something. Let's disengage dear!

Yeah, sure. I'm the one at fault here lol

[FfFfFfFF 58,120]

1 hour ago, Jill said:

Yeah, sure. I'm the one at fault here lol

Nah, it's mostly that you wanna preach even though you no idea what this is about (are you by any chance American?) 

Transnistria is a security problem for its neighbours and its entire region including Ukraine, R. Moldova, Romania and the EU. Its existence is illegal according do international law and is a glorified mafia state that helps infiltrate guns and other illegal items in neighboring countries. The government is secesionist and refuses to solve the issues with the authorities of the Republic of Moldova which has recognized jurisdiction over the area. For decades Transnistria persecuted its minorities and economically exploited Moldova by reselling Russian gas which they got free. They are being used by Russia as a military base to project power in the western Black Sea and the Balkans and Russian military presence there is again illegal according to international law and against Moldova's souverignity.

They now have the option to accept gas from other sources or freeze. If the leaders choose the option to freeze, that's their fault and nobody's else, because they could have simply asked.

[Jill 31,812]

18 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Nah, it's mostly that you wanna preach even though you no idea what this is about (are you by any chance American?) 

Transnistria is a security problem for its neighbours and its entire region including Ukraine, R. Moldova, Romania and the EU. Its existence is illegal according do international law and is a glorified mafia state that helps infiltrate guns and other illegal items in neighboring countries. The government is secesionist and refuses to solve the issues with the authorities of the Republic of Moldova which has recognized jurisdiction over the area. For decades Transnistria persecuted its minorities and economically exploited Moldova by reselling Russian gas which they got free. They are being used by Russia as a military base to project power in the western Black Sea and the Balkans and Russian military presence there is again illegal according to international law and against Moldova's souverignity.

They now have the option to accept gas from other sources or freeze. If the leaders choose the option to freeze, that's their fault and nobody's else, because they could have simply asked.

You're accusing me of being American and then you practically copy and paste a CIA statement. Laughable.

[FfFfFfFF 58,120]

5 minutes ago, Jill said:

You're accusing me of being American and then you practically copy and paste a CIA statement. Laughable.

Yes babe it is all CIA, God forbid countries and events exist indepedently of the US!  You unlocked the knowledge

[Jill 31,812]

Just now, FfFfFfFF said:

Yes babe it is all CIA, God forbid countries and events exist indepedently of the US!  You unlocked the knowledge

But you do realize that that's what I'm trying to defend, the idea of countries having a worldview independent of the USA.

However, every time a nation attempts to follow its own path, little old America and its allies find ways to disrupt it, whether through direct or indirect intervention, funding ideologically aligned media outlets, inciting color revolutions, or spreading misinformation far and wide, etc.

If you can't see this pattern repeating over and over, then you're either willfully ignorant or simply blind. I'd suggest stepping outside and thinking critically for a moment before speaking as if you know what you're talking about. I know what American interventionism is like and it's not pretty. It has never been pretty.

I don't claim to know everything, but your arguments don't even make sense from a geopolitical standpoint. I too wish countries and events could exist independently of the US, but the reality is that the US government has made that nearly impossible. Plus, it's absurd to analyze any geopolitical issue without acknowledging the interconnected interests and influences at play. And lo and behold, US interests and influences happen to be the most far-reaching in the world.

If you can't even see this, this discussion is beyond pointless (and didn't you say you wanted it to be over with like two comments ago?)..

[Bronco 25,129]

2 minutes ago, Jill said:

But you do realize that that's what I'm trying to defend, the idea of countries having a worldview independent of the USA.

However, every time a nation attempts to follow its own path, little old America and its allies find ways to disrupt it, whether through direct or indirect intervention, funding ideologically aligned media outlets, inciting color revolutions, or spreading misinformation far and wide, etc.

If you can't see this pattern repeating over and over, then you're either willfully ignorant or simply blind. I'd suggest stepping outside and thinking critically for a moment before speaking as if you know what you're talking about. I know what American interventionism is like and it's not pretty. It has never been pretty.

I don't claim to know everything, but your arguments don't even make sense from a geopolitical standpoint. I too wish countries and events could exist independently of the US, but the reality is that the US government has made that nearly impossible. Plus, it's absurd to analyze any geopolitical issue without acknowledging the interconnected interests and influences at play. And lo and behold, US interests and influences happen to be the most far-reaching in the world.

It's funny how you try to present yourself as anti-war & anti-imperialism. 

But everything you've just said is rooted heavily in imperialist talking points. 

[Jill 31,812]

Just now, Bronco said:

It's funny how you try to present yourself as anti-war & anti-imperialism. 

But everything you've just said is rooted heavily in imperialist talking points. 

What things for example?

[FfFfFfFF 58,120]

17 minutes ago, Jill said:

 

However, every time a nation attempts to follow its own path, little old America and its allies find ways to disrupt it, whether through direct or indirect intervention, funding ideologically aligned media outlets, inciting color revolutions, or spreading misinformation far and wide, etc.

 

You simply cannot claim the Russo-Moldavian war of 1992 is ''little old America and its allies find ways to disrupt'' the process of countries finding their own path. Transnistria is not a country and its secesion from a sovereign nation was illegal, which means your take is geopolitically false. Transnistria banning of the native language of a plurarity of the population and pushing of Russian is neo-colonial and illegal according to international law. You are simply too uneducate to talk authoritatively on the matter

[Jill 31,812]

Just now, FfFfFfFF said:

You simply cannot claim the Russo-Moldavian war of 1992 is ''little old America and its allies find ways to disrupt'' the process of countries finding their own path. Transnistria is not a country and its secesion from a sovereign nation was illegal, which means your take is geopolitically false. Transnistria banning of the native language of a plurarity of the population and pushing of Russian is neo-colonial and illegal according to international law. You are simply too uneducate to talk authoritatively on the matter

Your whole original post was mocking the consequences of war in that area, and was obviously in support of the Ukrainain side, which I don't know if you know, but is heavily financed by the US as a proxy war with Russia. Ever since Euromaidan, the US has turned Ukraine into a de facto puppet state, like they did with many others, like South Korea. They're not even hiding it at this point. So if you're so outraged by the so-called Russian imperialism, then I'd suspect you'd be equally as outraged by the decisions taken by the US, which evidently qualify as imperialism. But suspiciously, you're not. Mhm, I wonder why.

[FfFfFfFF 58,120]

6 minutes ago, Jill said:

Your whole original post was mocking the consequences of war in that area, and was obviously in support of the Ukrainain side, which I don't know if you know, but is heavily financed by the US as a proxy war with Russia. Ever since Euromaidan, the US has turned Ukraine into a de facto puppet state, like they did with many others, like South Korea. They're not even hiding it at this point. So if you're so outraged by the so-called Russian imperialism, then I'd suspect you'd be equally as outraged by the decisions taken by the US, which evidently qualify as imperialism. But suspiciously, you're not. Mhm, I wonder why.

So you are uneducated on Moldova and Transnistria and only look at this through the lense of Ukraine? If you comment on Moldova and Transnistria, you should be able to use arguments that relate to them and their geopolitical situation, which is 3 decades older than the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

I am against US imperialism and never shied away from criticizing US and its proxies. 

I fundamentally I think it's bad to think everything the US supports is good, just like the reverse! 

[Jill 31,812]

Just now, FfFfFfFF said:

So you are uneducated on Moldova and Transnistria and only look at this through the lense of Ukraine? If you comment on Moldova and Transnistria, you should be able to use arguments that relate to them and their geopolitical situation, which is 3 decades older than the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

I am against US imperialism and never shied away from criticizing US and its proxies. 

Because I think it's bad to think everything the US supports is good just like the reverse! 

Oh, albeit not a rule that is completely true at all times, I think that looking at what the US is doing and supporting the exact opposite works like a charm more than 90% of the time.

I'm talking about Ukraine because that's what the original post is about. I don't support celebrating any news like this one, as you apparently did in your post. I pointed it out, you doubled down, and obviously, I didn't like that and expressed why.

The irony is that almost everything being discussed in this post could have been avoided if the USSR hadn't fallen. Don't get me wrong. The USSR itself had a lot to do with its own collapse, thanks to ideological stagnation and accumulated corruption. But the US played a significant role as well, in many ways, the red scare campaign being one of the most noticeable. The Cold War, which could've ended sooner had the US accepted the USSR as a world power, is another. (As a footnote, the US is doing the exact same thing nowadays, but with China. Funny.)

Now, so many years later, it's curious that the consequences of the fall of the USSR (one of the most tragic events in human history, no doubt) are being managed by the biggest imperialist power in the world. This power is exploiting the suffering of millions to avoid ceding even the smallest amount of its power and control over the world.

And, ironically, the Ukraine conflict arose because the US and its allies refused to honor an agreement they made with Russia after the USSR's collapse, which was to keep NATO at bay. They didn't, and they provoked yet another humanitarian crisis. What gives? They complained about the USSR, saying they wanted a liberal Russia, so they made it collapse. Now they have a liberal Russia, and they are complaining yet again.

[Bronco 25,129]

Just now, Jill said:

What things for example?

 

2 minutes ago, Bronco said:

However, every time a nation attempts to follow its own path, little old America and its allies find ways to disrupt it, whether through direct or indirect intervention, funding ideologically aligned media outlets, inciting color revolutions, or spreading misinformation far and wide, etc.

This. 

There is absolutely no denying that the American gov & it's sphere of influence do all of the above. No one in their right mind would deny it. 

But you ignore that the other major super powers do exactly this as well. In a 2001 election in Tranistria, one of the regions declared the pro-Russian leader Smirnov had won 103.6% of the vote. Over the course of 20 years Smirnov became increasingly autonomous from Russia. In 2011, Putin & his allies withdrew support for Smirnov and gave 300million roubles to his opposition candidate. 2 weeks after first withdrawing his support for Smirnov, Putin instigated criminal prosecutions of Smirnov's family. 
And that's just Transistria, which is just a glorified Russian military base. 

Then there's the current issues in Georgia (on top of the previous Putin issues in Georgia). The assasination of Litvinenko, the attempted assasination of the Skripals. 

There's Russia & Wagners' activity in a number of African nations which is no different to American activity in Korea, Vietnam & the Middle East. There's the Chinese Belt & Road initative (which is just a carbon copy Marshall pact.

The entire mess that is the Balkans & Southern Eastern Europe exist because of both Russian & American imperialism. And that Gorbachev decided to take the British Empire's approach to winding up empire and going for a "sort it out yourselves, nothing bad can happen surely". Tranistria exists as it currently does because of the Russian/former Soviet 14th Guards Army occupying the territory and at this point only continues to exist because it's of military importance to Russian movements within the Black Sea region (like Taiwan's independence only exists because of it's military importance to America). And various attempts at solutions since 1992 have failed because of Americans influencing Moldova & Russia influencing Transnitria. 

Americans have been overactive in Eastern Europe. But the eastern european nations have been receptive for one major reason - Putin's consistent imperialism in the caucus regions of central Asia from his very first term in power. They all rightfully feared Putin's desire to restore Russian greatness. Americans took advantage of that through NATO expansion. 

I think you overstate it when you say America's interventionism is the most far reaching in the world. Again, no one sane would deny America is an interventionist superpower. But the other superpowers do it just as much. China does it best. America's interventionism is increasingly limited in power to Europe, South America & half the Middle East. Beyond historical ties in Asia, it's relevance and influence there has diminshed to nations with longstanding historical ties & Japan which does it out of geopolitical necessity. It's practically irrelevant on the African continent these days. 

The primary difference in our recognition of foreign policy interventionism is the difference in media freedoms between the 3 superpowers. Yes, western media is biased and is increasingly so - but the freedom of the press is also stronger and has allowed significantly less restricted or surpressed coverage of American foreign policy. Hell, study the freedom of war reporters in Vietnam, no other country has ever allowed that and the Americans haven't since.

The other issue is, America likes to ****ing talk about it which is the dumbest thing ever. China is far more prolific at dragging nations into it's sphere of influence and getting them to sing from the hymn sheet, it's just far smarter at it as well. The Belt & Road initiative is a masterclass in foreign relations, and the reason why I think China will end the decade as the only superpower without having fired a single bullet. 

 

[FfFfFfFF 58,120]

2 minutes ago, Jill said:

Oh, albeit not a rule that is completely true at all times, I think that looking at what the US is doing and supporting the exact opposite works like a charm more than 90% of the time.

So basically the root of what is wrong about your takes: you just imperalistically look at the sides and decide the side that may have ties with the US must be bad  and the opposing side must be good (even though you are otherwise fully uneducated about it).

My post is literally not about Ukraine, it mentioned Ukraine tangentially and contextually as it related to Moldova and Transnistria. Your whole post is about Ukraine because this is the only lense you can use to look at the situation.

The fall of the USSR is the best thing that happened in Europe since WW2: so many opressed nations managed to gain their independence at that moment and exercise their right to self-determination. You cannot claim you are anti-imperialism and not celebrate the implications of this event.

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[FfFfFfFF 58,120]

5 minutes ago, Bronco said:

And various attempts at solutions since 1992 have failed because of Americans influencing Moldova & Russia influencing Transnitria. 
 

Agreed with this except this part: In the past Moldova itself was a Russian puppet, specially under the presidency of Voronin (who wanted to incorporate Transnistria in a confederation). Moldova being pro-EU presently is an anomaly and the result of decades of Soviet propaganda finally washing out.