Ladle Ghoulash 16,153 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 3 minutes ago, Shyane said: I don't know who this guy is but how can someone so blatantly say things like this have top Spotify and Billboard songs? Those songs are over a decade old Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohan 16,088 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 32 minutes ago, Shyane said: I don't know who this guy is but how can someone so blatantly say things like this have top Spotify and Billboard songs? Says a LOT about America tbh. tryna go ask Alice, tryna catch that rabbit Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritBunny 3,459 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 I can’t stand Taylor but it is so obvious he did this for clout. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaism 9,916 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said: Don’t agree with his lyrics but I’m always here for someone dragging Swifties. They better not find his lyrics about killing Bruno Mars Then he’s got a problem with Liddos luv 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 49,504 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 5 hours ago, androiduser said: wait i thought he was chill but OH my god this is like horrendous? are we sure these aren’t satire lyrics or something bc what Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
killme89 1,107 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said: Nobody in this thread said he can't call something "racist". He can call everyone, and everything, racist, if he so wishes. What he can't do, is to call an entire group of diverse people "racist" for the sole purpose of deflecting from his past behaviour, and expect to be extempt from criticism. He can say whatever he wants. It just so happens that, if what he is saying is stupid, he'll be criticized for it, like any other human being on this planet. See but that’s exactly what you are doing. He is a black man living in a world where racism is still very alive especially here in the United states. For anyone to insinuate a black person is actively using his race as a means to justify any behavior that hurt anyone’s feelings is honestly upsetting and comes off racist/dismissive in itself. How do you know what kind of messages him a black man is getting from a prominently white (yes white) fan base ? I’m willing to bet he is getting racist messages. Like point black don’t tell black people when to say if something is racist or not that’s it. Edited November 1 by killme89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 16,153 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 21 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said: wait i thought he was chill but OH my god this is like horrendous? are we sure these aren’t satire lyrics or something bc what They’re 100% satirical/edgelord lyrics Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 29,906 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 ThI fact that he’s openly gay pretty much confirms that those lyrics were made just for shock value. Which is… gross to say the least. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 16,153 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 Just now, ALGAYDO said: ThI fact that he’s openly gay pretty much confirms that those lyrics were made just for shock value. Which is… gross to say the least. Ngl it was pretty obvious from the jump that his whole schtick in the early days was shock value 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliviaRodrigoStan 4,383 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 Just now, killme89 said: See but that’s exactly what you are doing. He is a black man living in a world where racism is still very alive especially here in the United states. For anyone to insinuate a black person is actively using his race as a means to justify any behavior that hurt anyone’s feelings is honestly upsetting and racist in itself. How do you know what kind of messages him a black man is getting from a prominently white (yes white) fan base ? I’m willing to bet he is getting racist messages. Like point black don’t tell black people when to say if something is racist or not that’s it. I'm calling deflection, deflection. If what you are saying is that he can't be questioned, or criticized, because he's black, then I disagree with such sentiment. Yes, racism is real, and yes, he has been victim of it many times, I assume, which is terrible. But Taylor Swift fans trolling him online for his objectively distasteful lyrics, isn't racism. Him bringing that up, when it has nothing to do with the reason why he's being trolled, is deflection. Objectively so. Not all Taylor Swift fans are white, and him branding the whole of them as "racist" is an attempt to gain sympathy, by automatically discrediting everything they could possibly argue against him. That is objectively what he's doing. And I do not agree with the idea that he cannot be criticized for it, because of his skin color. He is a public figure, like any other, and his behaviour is under the exact same kind of scrutiny that every other musician experiences. If you write lyrics like that, you SHOULD be able to face the consequences of your words. I don't think he should be deplatformed over 10 year old lyrics, in the same way I think he's being spineless. If he wants to be a tough artist, with tough lyrics, then be tough. HEART OF EVER-FROST 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 5,695 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 48 minutes ago, killme89 said: See but that’s exactly what you are doing. He is a black man living in a world where racism is still very alive especially here in the United states. For anyone to insinuate a black person is actively using his race as a means to justify any behavior that hurt anyone’s feelings is honestly upsetting and comes off racist/dismissive in itself. How do you know what kind of messages him a black man is getting from a prominently white (yes white) fan base ? I’m willing to bet he is getting racist messages. Like point black don’t tell black people when to say if something is racist or not that’s it. I am willing to be he is getting racist messages. But it is undeniable, from his own words, that people are criticising him for lyrics in tracks like Tron Cat. To say that *all* criticism of misogyny by a male rapper is racism is using it as a deflection from criticism. And deflecting any criticism of misogyny in his raps as racism is highly damaging to black men. And defending him saying that it is racist to criticise lyrics about raping pregnant women and calling it a threeway for example is insane. Do you think black women agree that its racist to say a black man shouldn't rap about raping women? Do you think all black men would agree that its racist to say a black man shouldn't rap about raping women? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palma 7,416 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 None of those lyrics are defendable under any circumstance wtf was he thinking Repulsive tbh Is there some reason my LG7 isn't here? Has she died or something? 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga2645 2,050 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 5 hours ago, killme89 said: That’s not what I’m talking about , I’m talking about people here in this thread. Attack him for his lyrics all you want but the “race card” comments are unnecessary. They not about to listen baby, trust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatography 9,869 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 He problematic but yeah most white swifties I have met subscribe to white feminism which to me is racist or at the very least exclusionary to literally everyone except young white cis hetero females Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palma 7,416 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 10 minutes ago, Chromatography said: He problematic but yeah most white swifties I have met subscribe to white feminism which to me is racist or at the very least exclusionary to literally everyone except young white cis hetero females I did witness questionable behavior from Taylor's fanbase but calling them racist over the backlash to those lyrics is a disservice to the discourse imo. I'm not very informed about what exactly he heard from the swifties, I'm not from the states and I don't even know if I qualify as a POC so idk if it's my place to talk about those things but on the surface value it sounds like he's deflecting Is there some reason my LG7 isn't here? Has she died or something? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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