Canada Agressively Reverses Immigration Plan... Population To Decline Next 2 Years

[LaLa 19,909]

40 minutes ago, Economy said:

Im personally very pro immigration overall but even I started to not support their immigration policy as I felt it started to really exagerate it

Yeah same. The temporary foreign worker program is rife with exploitation, and the international student situation has been out of control. It's bad for Canadians but also bad for these people who are being jerked around and used and abused. 

This country is kind of a hot mess and I honestly don't know if it will get any better in my lifetime 

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

5 minutes ago, Economy said:

Sorry. I can never remember all the Canadian members and we have so many

 

And yes, Quebec could be a loophole but even so... temporary residents surged so much, i dont think forecast  population decline from expiring visas is as farfetched as it sounds

 

Weve never slammed the brakes on immigration so fast before and birth rates are at an alltime low of 1.2 children per woman. 

 

That said we will see. A decline of 0.2% is very tiny and margin for error in forecasts could be bigger than that

I really do believe Canada will have 50 million inhabitants in a few decades.

Canada and Australia won't stop increasing. They are in an every-increasing population-plus loophole.

only some provinces will. maybe atlantic canada

[AMENiCURE 9,381]

I plan to immigrate in near future myself due to being from a country that persecutes LGBTQ+ individuals but as an outsider I feel the immigration system and policies were quite flawed for both Canada and Europe. Extremely aggressive, exploitative and it honestly feels like they let anyone in. Maybe I have a narrow mindset because I am obviously not experiencing things first hand and never really thought much into it, but I just hate seeing how many of people I'm trying to run away from literally running to settle in countries that are my options.

As for economical reasons, I think Canada really should've prepared well for this before trying to expand. Doing all this now might just even hurt the economy more due to such a sudden de-growth. 

[PartySick 174,306]

48 minutes ago, Economy said:

@GagaSine @littlepotter @juicyjuicy @VANTABLACK@JustinTrudeau @LaLa thoughts?

 

Im personally very pro immigration overall but even I started to not support their immigration policy as I felt it started to really exagerate it

Oh I'm not part of the "thoughts?" crowd anymore

You guys need a Kamala to build 3 million homes

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

5 minutes ago, AMENiCURE said:

I plan to immigrate in near future myself due to being from a country that persecutes LGBTQ+ individuals but as an outsider I feel the immigration system and policies were quite flawed for both Canada and Europe. Extremely aggressive and it honestly feels like they let anyone in.

I think, they still will increase in population. They cannot stop people from illegally arriving and they can can come en masse and overwhelm the police deportation system. And the police is limited in power to bring people back. Like, for example, if you are persecuted, a judge would most likely decide that you can stay in Canada and not be sent back if you came illegally or legally. So if you want to come to Canada, come to Canada.

I invite you

The reverse immigration plan is just a show to "calm Canadians" and makem them beleive things will changes, just as Law 101 was amended in Québec to make people believe that French will be protected but there are so many loopholes that French is doomed and has no future in Montréal

[Economy 53,096]

9 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Yikes. Gross. 

Elaborate. Ur the first comment against it. Curious on ur take

 

9 minutes ago, GregJA said:

I'm glad we are cutting back - but this is just his attempt to stem his bleeding support 

Typical politics especially right before election

[Economy 53,096]

8 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

I really do believe Canada will have 50 million inhabitants in a few decades.

Canada and Australia won't stop increasing. They are in an every-increasing population-plus loophole.

only some provinces will. maybe atlantic canada

I mean if were talking decades i agree.... even under the forecast in article wed get there in 15 years or so

 

The small population decline is only forecast for 2025 and 2026. Once there arent as many temporary visas to expire in mass, population growth would resume in 2027, just not as agressively as in 2021, 2022 and 2023

[Economy 53,096]

10 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Oh I'm not part of the "thoughts?" crowd anymore

You guys need a Kamala to build 3 million homes

Haha my bad i was trying to primarily tag Canadians or ppl very interested in Canada. But i had a feeling ud stumble into the thread anyway without a tag 😅

 

And funny u mention that, aparently 3M homes is exactly what we need to restore affordability

 

But given were 1/9 the population of the US, thats like the US building 27M homes so a much more daunting task in relative terms

 

We need another 1.4M homes to reach G7 average of units to population (and G7 is already unaffordable). Thats like the US being 12.6M units behind the average

 

Thats how bad weve gotten

 

When I see US discussions about housing being unaffordable despite the average US home price being consistently lower than Canada and Americans making slightly more money, I get sad at just how bad weve gotten

 

 

[Economy 53,096]

18 minutes ago, AMENiCURE said:

I plan to immigrate in near future myself due to being from a country that persecutes LGBTQ+ individuals but as an outsider I feel the immigration system and policies were quite flawed for both Canada and Europe. Extremely aggressive, exploitative and it honestly feels like they let anyone in. Maybe I have a narrow mindset because I am obviously not experiencing things first hand and never really thought much into it, but I just hate seeing how many of people I'm trying to run away from literally running to settle in countries that are my options.

As for economical reasons, I think Canada really should've prepared well for this before trying to expand. Doing all this now might just even hurt the economy more due to such a sudden de-growth. 

Canada with the exeption of refugees has always been selective to be highly oppurtunistic. They only want high skills, young people and student who pay high fees and subsidize our colleges. Tho if u already have family here that does help in your favour

 

And i agree, a sudden degrowth may hit the economy hard now but they forced the situation

 

But at least unemployment is higher now. Cutting growth suddenly last year when we were in a labor shortage still probably would have been worse than doing it now

 

 

[PartySick 174,306]

4 minutes ago, Economy said:

Haha my bad i was trying to primarily tag Canadians or ppl very interested in Canada. But i had a feeling ud stumble into the thread anyway without a tag 😅

 

And funny u mention that, aparently 3M homes is exactly what we need to restore affordability

 

But given were 1/9 the population of the US, thats like the US building 27M homes so a much more daunting task in relative terms

 

We need another 1.4M homes to reach G7 average of units to population (and G7 is already unaffordable). Thats like the US being 12.6M units behind the average

 

Thats how bad weve gotten

 

When I see US discussions about housing being unaffordable despite the average US home price being consistently lower than Canada and Americans making slightly more money, I get sad at just how bad weve gotten

 

 

Wow they really just f*cked your whole country huh  Canada's a tiny bit larger than the US, it's wild there's no real push to expand a bit into unused land and set up pretty simply built neighborhoods and towns.

Afaik the real issue in the US is corporate real estate freaks snatching up huge amounts of homes, basically having a collective monopoly on homes, and steadily raising the price of rent or sale to squeeze out cash. The "build 3 million homes" thing isn't just an effort to create more housing supply, it's also meant to create competition with those greedy landlords and real estate guys, forcing them to either remain stable or lower their prices.

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,883]

24 minutes ago, Economy said:

Elaborate. Ur the first comment against it. Curious on ur take

Granted I'm not Canadian and not familiar with the nation's problems beyond the tension between your native population. I'm American and have been hearing about our own immigration "crisis". 

I don't believe migration is ever the problem with large amounts of land. If the governing body sees that there's an uptick, use it as an opportunity to create social programs. Bring life to vacant buildings. Allocate them to places that are in need of workers or development. Look ahead and build new towns like they've successfully done in parts of Asia. New Deal sh*t. Leaders blaming the nation's problems on people trying to achieve a better life just for deciding to exist in your country instead of the government's incompetence only fuels this Nazi bs that's flared up globally. 

[Economy 53,096]

5 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Wow they really just f*cked your whole country huh  Canada's a tiny bit larger than the US, it's wild there's no real push to expand a bit into unused land and set up pretty simply built neighborhoods and towns.

Afaik the real issue in the US is corporate real estate freaks snatching up huge amounts of homes, basically having a collective monopoly on homes, and steadily raising the price of rent or sale to squeeze out cash. The "build 3 million homes" thing isn't just an effort to create more housing supply, it's also meant to create competition with those greedy landlords and real estate guys, forcing them to either remain stable or lower their prices.

Yeah i mean this problem is decades in the making, the surge of thr last few years merely agravated it. Our housing boom started in 2001 and never really stopped. There were minor pull backs in 2009 (effects of financial crisis but orice drop only lasted 1 year), I and now in late 2022 to 2023 because of lagged effects from high interest rates but month over month they are already rising so looks like this pullback was also very short lived as well

 

Anyway the housing shortage isnt just population growth. Theres issues with slow permit processes (which seems to be an issue in nearly every Province), strict zoning regulations etc all slowing down construction. Shortage in construction workers doesnt help.

 

Alberta and Saskatchwean are the only 2 Provinces where home prices are somewhat more affordable despite good economies. They are highly conservative but at least the Government let construction do its thing without getting in the way so much

 

Housing is also cheap in Eastern Provinces like PEI and Newfoundland but unlike Alberta and Saskatchewan... their economiest are sh*t where unemployment is chronically high, wages low.

 

Many ppl are moving to Alberta now tho so prices are rising there too now. 3 years ago a detached house in Calgary was like $400K now its over $600K so it rose over 50% in 3 years. But thats still dirt cheap compared to where 3/4 of the population lives and their salaries are not lower

 

As for the US. Yeah I been following that issue of Corporates buying up housing. Its disgusting. Here in Canada its starting too but not as advanced as in the US. I hope it doesnt become a big trend here too because since our housing shortage is worse, the effects of their bidding would be amplified even higher here

 

What we have a lot of here is mom and pop investors for now. Upper middle class priveledged ppl who buy an extra house as a source of income. And if ur successful at it like my greedly uncle, own 4 or 5 homes

[Economy 53,096]

16 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Granted I'm not Canadian and not familiar with the nation's problems beyond the tension between your native population. I'm American and have been hearing about our own immigration "crisis". 

I don't believe migration is ever the problem with large amounts of land. If the governing body sees that there's an uptick, use it as an opportunity to create social programs. Bring life to vacant buildings. Allocate them to places that are in need of workers or development. Look ahead and build new towns like they've successfully done in parts of Asia. New Deal sh*t. Leaders blaming the nation's problems on people trying to achieve a better life just for deciding to exist in your country instead of the government's incompetence only fuels this Nazi bs that's flared up globally. 

I see ur point and i partially agree...

 

Our housing crisis has roots in inefficient building permit system, excessive red tape and labor shortages in Construction

 

Healthcare strains have funding issues as a root cause

 

However I also believe sudden rapid population growth is naturally gonna amplify these issues even if its not the only cause

 

U mention the US but this is a totally different scope here. We took in 1.2M immigrants last year with a population of 40M vs the US taking like 1.5M  annuallywith 350M ppl

 

U take in 1.5M in proportion whar we took in is like if you took in over 13M.

 

Its a scope so wildly different I dont think u can even begin to compare

 

From my perspective US anti immigration is just plain xenophobia as I feel relative to your population the US actually isnt taking that many ppl in these days, not enough to affect economy that drastically to blame them for anything

 

In Canada we grew so fast even many African Countries where ppl have 6 kids dont grow so fast. I think its fair to say that in itself can cause problems and be excessive

[PartySick 174,306]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

Yeah i mean this problem is decades in the making, the surge of thr last few years merely agravated it. Our housing boom started in 2001 and never really stopped. There were minor pull backs in 2009 (effects of financial crisis but orice drop only lasted 1 year), I and now in late 2022 to 2023 because of lagged effects from high interest rates but month over month they are already rising so looks like this pullback was also very short lived as well

 

Anyway the housing shortage isnt just population growth. Theres issues with slow permit processes (which seems to be an issue in nearly every Province), strict zoning regulations etc all slowing down construction. Shortage in construction workers doesnt help.

 

Alberta and Saskatchwean are the only 2 Provinces where home prices are somewhat more affordable despite good economies. They are highly conservative but at least the Government let construction do its thing without getting in the way so much

 

Housing is also cheap in Eastern Provinces like PEI and Newfoundland but unlike Alberta and Saskatchewan... their economiest are sh*t where unemployment is chronically high, wages low.

 

Many ppl are moving to Alberta now tho so prices are rising there too now. 3 years ago a detached house in Calgary was like $400K now its over $600K so it rose over 50% in 3 years. But thats still dirt cheap compared to where 3/4 of the population lives and their salaries are not lower

 

As for the US. Yeah I been following that issue of Corporates buying up housing. Its disgusting. Here in Canada its starting too but not as advanced as in the US. I hope it doesnt become a big trend here too because since our housing shortage is worse, the effects of their bidding would be amplified even higher here

 

What we have a lot of here is mom and pop investors for now. Upper middle class priveledged ppl who buy an extra house as a source of income. And if ur successful at it like my greedly uncle, own 4 or 5 homes

Well, there's something to be said about a healthy dose of conservatism. Regulations to protect buyers are great but builders and contractors also need freedoms.

I haven't even really looked into real estate as an issue until it became one of Kamala's main issues ('cause politicians finally realized every voter brings up housing unprompted).

So, she wants that federal funding and regulations like a good liberal but also wants to work with localities on zoning laws, permits, and incentives to make building those 3 million homes by 2028 an actual reality.

Canada sounds like the worst of bureaucratic liberal hell with none of the benefits of progressivism 

Just speaking in general terms as I'm not knowledgeable enough to do otherwise

I get the concepts though and I hope y'all get something functional and fast 

[PartySick 174,306]

13 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Granted I'm not Canadian and not familiar with the nation's problems beyond the tension between your native population. I'm American and have been hearing about our own immigration "crisis". 

I don't believe migration is ever the problem with large amounts of land. If the governing body sees that there's an uptick, use it as an opportunity to create social programs. Bring life to vacant buildings. Allocate them to places that are in need of workers or development. Look ahead and build new towns like they've successfully done in parts of Asia. New Deal sh*t. Leaders blaming the nation's problems on people trying to achieve a better life just for deciding to exist in your country instead of the government's incompetence only fuels this Nazi bs that's flared up globally. 

Very this. Immigrants always get the sh*t end of the stick when they find themselves in a country whose systems are fundamentally broken.

Fewer immigrants would fix Canada's problem but more homes would fix the same problem without being horrible