PartySick 172,545 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 Oh, and keep in mind the NYT underestimated Obama in 2012 by 4%, Hillary in 2016 by 2%, and Trump in 2020 by 11% I don't trust their numbers đ I like their article about the "red wave" though https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html "The virtual âbazaar of polls,â as a top Republican strategist called it, was largely kept humming by right-leaning pollsters using opaque methodology, in some cases relying on financial support from hyperpartisan groups and benefiting from vociferous cheerleading by Mr. Trump." Or in other words, EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW. 80+ GOP skewed pollsters, most with ridiculous and unreliable methodology, pouring over 100 skewed polls into the averages while legitimate pollsters cook their numbers in an effort to over correct for errors they made in 2016 and 2020. Polling ain't sh*t and will never be sh*t to me again Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 41,861 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 1 minute ago, PartySick said: Oh, and keep in mind the NYT underestimated Obama in 2012 by 4%, Hillary in 2016 by 2%, and Trump in 2020 by 11% I don't trust their numbers đ I like their article about the "red wave" though https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html "The virtual âbazaar of polls,â as a top Republican strategist called it, was largely kept humming by right-leaning pollsters using opaque methodology, in some cases relying on financial support from hyperpartisan groups and benefiting from vociferous cheerleading by Mr. Trump." Or in other words, EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW. 80+ GOP skewed pollsters, most with ridiculous and unreliable methodology, pouring over 100 skewed polls into the averages while legitimate pollsters cook their numbers in an effort to over correct for errors they made in 2016 and 2020. Polling ain't sh*t and will never be sh*t to me again Polling that isnât internal this late in the game should always be ignored tbh. Itâs just noise. One thing I did just see that kind of quelled my nerves for the night is that NV Republican gains in EV FINALLY slowed down just a bit. Hopefully this means they really are gonna hit a ceiling with rural voters because my god, they built up an impressive firewall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeEnigma 1,782 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 1 hour ago, LateToCult said: But weâre seeing counties that were heavily Democratic lose their share of the early vote by 5+% compared with 2020 and 2022. Republicans have also been steadily holding their numbers in the PA early drops.  I donât like that weâre putting so much weight on Election Day turnout and this fantasy that Republicans are gonna turn out for Harris. The idea just doesnât make sense to me. And I donât even want to get started on how many people believe Harris can easily bag a 5, 6, even 10 point winning margin with Indy voters in Nevada to dig herself out of the hole Dems are currently in there. Itâs really feeling like 2016 where there were signs but Dems were too cocky to read them.  Early voting and looking at it as indicating the result is meaningless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 41,861 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 9 minutes ago, DopeEnigma said: Early voting and looking at it as indicating the result is meaningless. Highly disagree. Itâs real data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeEnigma 1,782 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 43 minutes ago, LateToCult said: Highly disagree. Itâs real data. Itâs meaningless, doesnât account for the entirety of in person voting on the day. Itâs pure guessing and worrying for no reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 41,861 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 1 minute ago, DopeEnigma said: Itâs meaningless, doesnât account for the entirety of in person voting on the day. Itâs pure guessing and worrying for no reason. I disagree. Once this election is over, weâre not gonna look back and say, âwow the early voting was so random and didnât tell us anything about the outcome.â Itâs gonna tell a story. It could be, âwow Trump convinced republicans to mobilize early and it canabilized his base.â It could also be, âwow from the jump there were signs that Democrats couldnât convince their base to turn out.â Just because itâs not finished, doesnât mean we canât start reading it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 My prediction: She's winning Michigan, Georgia and NC. PA, WI too close to call. But both go to Harris later. Trump's winning AZ and NV. Dems win the Senate race in Texas and in Nebraska (even though the candidate is independent) and can hold their tie-breaking vote majority. Dems win back the House. Source: gut feeling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeEnigma 1,782 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 6 minutes ago, LateToCult said: I disagree. Once this election is over, weâre not gonna look back and say, âwow the early voting was so random and didnât tell us anything about the outcome.â Itâs gonna tell a story. It could be, âwow Trump convinced republicans to mobilize early and it canabilized his base.â It could also be, âwow from the jump there were signs that Democrats couldnât convince their base to turn out.â Just because itâs not finished, doesnât mean we canât start reading it. The whole story when everyone has voted will be far more informative, itâs getting a bit tiring seeing everyone lose their mind way beforehand. Letâs just make sure we tell everyone we know to get out and vote and then we can breakdown the patterns and what it means when the final results are declared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 41,861 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 3 minutes ago, DopeEnigma said: The whole story when everyone has voted will be far more informative, itâs getting a bit tiring seeing everyone lose their mind way beforehand. Letâs just make sure we tell everyone we know to get out and vote and then we can breakdown the patterns and what it means when the final results are declared. Well, youâre in the early voting thread, so I bet a little part of you wants to see how things are going and doesnât want to wait until Election Day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 3,053 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 Why you guys so worried when all of the US presidents act the same once they arrive to the white house Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeEnigma 1,782 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 1 hour ago, LateToCult said: Well, youâre in the early voting thread, so I bet a little part of you wants to see how things are going and doesnât want to wait until Election Day. Iâm more so intrigued people want to get worried and worked up with several days to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
 Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted October 27, 2024 Author Share Posted October 27, 2024 1 hour ago, GagaTheExplorer said: Why you guys so worried when all of the US presidents act the same once they arrive to the white house This is absolutely not true. Tell that to the 6M people who got student loans forgiven by the Biden administration, the people who can now afford insulin capped at $35 a month, the people (including in my family) who saw significant reduction in their pharmaceutical costs due to the Biden administrationâs rules on price negotiation, the people who got guaranteed overtime protections, the banks who now need to reduce junk fees.. and so much more. Trump would have done NONE of this. Tired of the ignorant takes from people who are incapable of seeing a night and day difference.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeEnigma 1,782 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 10 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: This is absolutely not true. Tell that to the 6M people who got student loans forgiven by the Biden administration, the people who can now afford insulin capped at $35 a month, the people (including in my family) who saw significant reduction in their pharmaceutical costs due to the Biden administrationâs rules on price negotiation, the people who got guaranteed overtime protections, the banks who now need to reduce junk fees.. and so much more. Trump would have done NONE of this. Tired of the ignorant takes from people who are incapable of seeing a night and day difference.  Youâre absolutely right about this, Biden has actually had some great achievements in office and I find it pretty shocking how they have been disregarded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahb 17,188 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 Georgia is now ahead of its 2020 voting pace Do you feel him sir? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 25,131 Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 6 hours ago, LateToCult said: Polling that isnât internal this late in the game should always be ignored tbh. Itâs just noise. One thing I did just see that kind of quelled my nerves for the night is that NV Republican gains in EV FINALLY slowed down just a bit. Hopefully this means they really are gonna hit a ceiling with rural voters because my god, they built up an impressive firewall. Yeah now we're over the first week of EV, we can see what motivation actually exists by how the numbers change. I fully expect GOP to keep dropping & Dems to remain slow but steady. The gays know how to party Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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