Students Spend $40K To Stay In Canada, Feel Betrayed As They Are Now Sent Back

[Economy 52,844]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/world/canada/canada-immigration-policy.html

 

Canada has made some policy shifts to significantly scale back agressively high immigration targets that according to polls has not sit well with over 2/3 of Canadians

 

While officially Canadas immigration target is 500,000 annually thru direct immigration (one of the highest ratios to population in the world already) in reality over 1.1 million immigrants were coming into the Country annually by other paths such as coming here to study, gaining a work permit while studying, then applying for a permanent residence

 

That sheer number led to a population increase of over 3.5% per year, comperable to Africas growth rate, or North America during the peak of the baby boom years.

 

Explosive population growth was blamed for worsening housing crisis, healthcare strains and other services.

 

Now the government is cutting back. While the direct immigration target of 500k remains in place, temporary residents (who often become permanent after) are being scaled back. The government is allowing work visas to expire with their student visas to force them to go back to their countries after studies unless their career field is in high demand

 

Some students now say they feel betrayed, spending over $40,000 in tuition, other costs and temporary visa fees under the impression it was a path to permanent residence. Now they are being sent back

 

Refugee claims and asylum claims have also doubled since the changes took place, causing some to speculate some claims are being used as a delay tactic to try to remain

[Obobo 3,984]

Well it’s called temporary resident for a reason, not path to permanent residency.  

Love immigration but not this mass of international “students” who go to diploma mill schools.

[PunkTheFunk 125,703]

It's an open secret that they're coming here with the intention of staying forever, hence the betrayal. I don't blame them though. I blame the government for allowing this to happen.

[misha4ever 2,077]

What I found funny is how they have so many inmigrants and it's supposedly so easy but I've been trying to work in the health industry for years and the amount of paperwork and blocks they put into migrating legally is immense, so idk how they do it.

[Economy 52,844]

31 minutes ago, Obobo said:

Well it’s called temporary resident for a reason, not path to permanent residency.  

Love immigration but not this mass of international “students” who go to diploma mill schools.

Tbh. I feel it also makes people "study" here for the wrong reasons, maybe not even a career they truly want

 

Immigration is good as you said. And Canada has a long history now of welcoming immigrants with open arms and letting them start a new life while also contributing to country, a win-win

 

But the way its been handled the last 3 years just stopped making sense. Letting a wave of students win permanent residence making the 500k target meaningless and not building the infrastructure to accomodate so much growth

 

Anyway i do feel sorry for them tho if they put a lot into this dream and now are sent back. But at the same timr permanent residency after studying is a possibility. It was never a promise

[Economy 52,844]

24 minutes ago, misha4ever said:

What I found funny is how they have so many inmigrants and it's supposedly so easy but I've been trying to work in the health industry for years and the amount of paperwork and blocks they put into migrating legally is immense, so idk how they do it.

Its very inconsistent ill give you that.

[Ayesha Erotica 1,924]

They can still use the Québec loophole, as Québec and Anglo-Canada have separate immigration systems and it is easier to migrate to Québec than to the rest of Canada, and apply for temporary resideny in Québec and switch then to permanent residency and then afterwards move to Ango-Canada (often Ontario or BC) and "stay there forever permanent". If they opt for Concordia University, they don't even have to learn French.

[Economy 52,844]

1 minute ago, AyeshaErotica said:

They can still use the Québec loophole, as Québec and Anglo-Canada have separate immigration systems and it is easier to migrate to Québec than to the rest of Canada, and apply for temporary resideny in Québec and switch then to permanent residency and then afterwards move to Ango-Canada (often Ontario or BC) and "stay there forever permanent". If they opt for Concordia University, they don't even have to learn French.

How many does Quebec let in tho? Is it really that easy to get in Quebec?

[Ayesha Erotica 1,924]

Just now, Economy said:

How many does Quebec let in tho? Is it really that easy to get in Quebec?

Québec and Atlantic Canada are considered like Eastern Europe by migrants from outside the world, while Anglo-Canada (excluding Atlantic Canada) is perceived like Western Europe, and they want to make it into Western Europe (Anglo-Canada (AngC)).

Somehow Québec is being subsidized by the Western provinces, so their perception is not entirely wrong...

Migrants often apply for AngC and get rejected. Québec is their Plan B. They usually go to Montréal or its suburbs, ditch French, choose to integrate into an English community, switch from temporary to permanent residency and then move to AngC, which was their goal in first place. I don't know they exact numbers. Often Indians and Chinese do it that way, the Indians having a cultural preference for AngC and the Chinese seeing no value in French and "poor" Québec. It is easier to get into Québec because less people apply for it than for AngC, even adjusted by proportionarte numbers, it is easier.

[Economy 52,844]

6 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

Québec and Atlantic Canada are considered like Eastern Europe by migrants from outside the world, while Anglo-Canada (excluding Atlantic Canada) is perceived like Western Europe, and they want to make it into Western Europe (Anglo-Canada (AngC)).

Somehow Québec is being subsidized by the Western provinces, so their perception is not entirely wrong...

Migrants often apply for AngC and get rejected. Québec is their Plan B. They usually go to Montréal or its suburbs, ditch French, choose to integrate into an English community, switch from temporary to permanent residency and then move to AngC, which was their goal in first place. I don't know they exact numbers. Often Indians and Chinese do it that way, the Indians having a cultural preference for AngC and the Chinese seeing no value in French and "poor" Québec. It is easier to get into Québec because less people apply for it than for AngC, even adjusted by proportionarte numbers, it is easier.

I wasnt even aware this was a thing

 

So does the official 500K immigration target set by Federal Government not factor in Quebecs immigration then?

 

Seperate immigration, pension system, EI system etc. Sometimes i wonder whats the point of Quebec being a part of Canada lol.

 

For all intents and purposes its mostly Functioning seperately already exept we send Billions annually in equalization payments. It used to be nearly $10B annually. It may have dropped since Quebec has gotten closer to National average in economy

[Ayesha Erotica 1,924]

22 minutes ago, Economy said:

I wasnt even aware this was a thing

 

So does the official 500K immigration target set by Federal Government not factor in Quebecs immigration then?

 

Seperate immigration, pension system, EI system etc. Sometimes i wonder whats the point of Quebec being a part of Canada lol.

 

For all intents and purposes its mostly Functioning seperately already exept we send Billions annually in equalization payments. It used to be nearly $10B annually. It may have dropped since Quebec has gotten closer to National average in economy

I think it DOES factor in Québec immigration numbers because Québec is part of the federation and both Québec and Anglo-Canada are just subcategories. "Federal" is being used in meaning analogous to "nation-wide". I must admit, though, I am not very sure about it.

Québec City selects 50%-60% of all foreign immigrants on its own, while the federal government (Ottawa) selects 40%-50% for Québec (and often against the will of Québec). So Ottawa has a not unimportant say, yet not ultra-big say, in who's getting into Québec.

Well, 49,4% of Québec voted in 1995 to become independent.

The fact that it remained below 50% is solely due to the fact that Ottawa at the time specifically let immigrants into Québec (outside of the francophone cultural area, who vote pro-Ottawa) and naturalised them and gave them voting rights, and those few per cent ultimately led to Québec remaining forcibly married to Ottawa until today and probably forever because the share of francophones declines and is not big enoug for an independence majority anymore.
All the Anglo-Canadian subsidies are a kind of compensation for Ottawa sabotaging Québec's independence. (from the perspective of Québec City) I think the majority of Canadians would be happier if both went their own way. The Quebec immigration programmes are also a kind of revenge on Ottawa, because Québec receives money for their admissions, thus fulfilling the quotas, but doesn't really want too many immigrants because otherwise the quota of the native French-speaking population will fall and gets rid of the problem by sending the migrants to Anglo-Canada, where they then increase house purchase prices and lead to a shortage of resources.

[Ayesha Erotica 1,924]

29 minutes ago, Economy said:

For all intents and purposes its mostly Functioning seperately already exept we send Billions annually in equalization payments. It used to be nearly $10B annually. It may have dropped since Quebec has gotten closer to National average in economy

I can tell you, if it ever drops below $10B, there will be riots in the National Assembly of Québec and Québec will question their existence in a united Canada (again).

It is currently 13,3$B out of 25,2$B in total for Québec in 2024-25 period.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/federal-transfers/letters-provinces-territories/2023/quebec.html

Maths and social policy education in Quebec is a little different from the rest of Canada. We were calculating ourselves artificially poor, lol. Our creativity is to design the Equalization Payments in a way that best serves Québec. They are distorted and a lot of Québec wealth (such as Hydro Energy) is not taken into account. Québec is not actually poor, we just count ourselves poor to get richer.

[BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454]

I’m moving there next year on spousal sponsorship

[Economy 52,844]

6 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

I can tell you, if it ever drops below $10B, there will be riots in the National Assembly of Québec and Québec will question their existence in a united Canada (again).

It is currently 13,3$B out of 25,2$B in total for Québec in 2024-25 period.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/federal-transfers/letters-provinces-territories/2023/quebec.html

Maths and social policy education in Quebec is a little different from the rest of Canada. We were calculating ourselves artificially poor, lol. Our creativity is to design the Equalization Payments in a way that best serves Québec. They are distorted and a lot of Québec wealth (such as Hydro Energy) is not taken into account. Québec is not actually poor, we just count ourselves poor to get richer.

Thats a lot of money for a province that isnt doing that bad

[Ayesha Erotica 1,924]

16 minutes ago, Economy said:

Thats a lot of money for a province that isnt doing that bad

It is a genius plan, isn't it?

Québec will never forgive Ottawa for thwarting its independence and as a hidden punishment, Quebec has been waging a secret, subliminal, little war against Ottawa (=Anglo-Canada) since 1995. If Quebec can't get its way out of Canada on its own, the new goal now is to alienate and frustrate the rest of the provinces so much that they kick Quebec out, which hasn't worked out yet.
For example, the energy pipeline between Brunswick and Alberta was prevented by Québec to sabotage Alberta.

( https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/after-sabotaging-energy-east-quebecs-olive-branch-to-alberta-will-likely-be-rebuffed )

I'll also let you in on a little secret:
"From 2017 to 2022, 96 per cent of unauthorised border crossings into Canada took place in Quebec."  Source: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigration-quebec-language
This doesn't just happen through inaction. Québec deliberately watches and does nothing because it deliberately sends the migrants to Anglo-Canada and at the same time collects reception money from Ottawa and keeps the migrants registered in Québec for a long time in order to continue collecting money for people who are no longer there. Typically, the Haitians are kept in Québec - they speak fluent Creole/French - to increase the French-speaking numbers, while the Anglo-Caribbeans & others are sent to Ontario/BC.