Ariana Grande Is Proven NOT LYING On Plastic Surgery

[Illuminati 15,948]

24 minutes ago, bionic said:

Polygraph/lie detector tests are infamously unreliable and are not admissible as court evidence in most jurisdictions for this reason.

 

Our eyes are much more reliable and...

She said she had fillers in various parts of her face, I don't think she's lying about the rest

[Jill 30,388]

10 minutes ago, Head Empty said:

It's a complete gray area. On the individual level I get it and support those who genuinely find relief in it. Who are we to tell others what to do with their body?

It's not a gray area for me. I'm not criticizing people who "find relief" in doing it, but the fact that they have to do it in the first place to find relief. That’s society's and the system's fault, not necessarily theirs. Although when it comes to celebrities, I believe their responsibility is greater, so promoting these things could be seen as more serious.

10 minutes ago, Head Empty said:

But even while saying that: should we also discourage make-up by that logic? Tattoos, piercings? Or can we consider all of them as a form of personal expression, with varying degrees of intensity?

Plastic surgery is rarely a form of expression like tattoos or piercings. You can get a tattoo of a phrase or your mother's face, but with plastic surgery, you can only change your appearance, and many take advantage of that to conform to social beauty standards. Cases where the opposite happens are very rare. Very, very rare. No one gets surgery to "be uglier" according to social norms. The goal is generally the opposite.

Not to mention the class issue: who has access to plastic surgery? Certainly not poor people. And carrying the burden of beauty as a tacit precondition to "succeed in the world", which even makes you doubt your own beauty, can be an unbearable weight for those who, in addition to all of this, do not have the financial means to afford surgery.

I’m not saying surgery is the solution to such problems, but the desire to have it and not be able to also causes further harm, as people might idealize surgeries and have a different (and mistaken) idea of what will happen once they get them. Thus, and as always, poor people are the most affected.

[JustTea 6,305]

1 hour ago, bionic said:

Polygraph/lie detector tests are infamously unreliable and are not admissible as court evidence in most jurisdictions for this reason.

 

Our eyes are much more reliable and...

There aren’t many harsh changes to her facial appearance besides the fact she’s lost weight and matured since 2012, so it's very likely just botox (+makeup) like she said...

[RenegAde 19,794]

She looks like a different person but whatever.

I hate when people obsess over celebrity plastic surgeries or blame the never ending global issue of unnatural beauty standards or perfectionism on  celebrities. I feel it shows a lack of self awareness and accountability as a society and as individuals

Celebrities didnt fall from the sky, they are a product of their societies and i don't fault them for getting plastic surgery because  they are the biggest victims of the societal pressures to stay perfect.

If you feel pressured by societal beauty standards, There's a lot introspection that needs to be done instead of getting a kick out of calling out another person's imperfection.

[pachinko 10,492]

She is so sweet 

[River 118,488]

I lied to a lie detector and passed

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1 hour ago, RAMROD said:

so you were saying she's still guilty?

[VTV 12,920]

I hope we can come to a society where cosmetic surgery/fillers/botox/threads/lifts are not such a big deal like it still is today like damn. We sound like judgmental b**mers. 

[Controversiaga 11,765]

There is nothing wrong with having work done. Many people do it, famous or not.  And if everyone had the money, even more people would do it. Why does it have to be a taboo shameful thing

wish celebrities would stop lying because it’s obvious. We can see before and afters. We know the difference between normal aging/changes in weight and having work done.

these are not real polygraphs anyways 

[Ronk 14,762]

2 hours ago, VTV said:

I hope we can come to a society where cosmetic surgery/fillers/botox/threads/lifts are not such a big deal like it still is today like damn. We sound like boomers. 

Exactly.  Hopefully someday such conversations with Ari or anyone else won't even be considered.  They will be a thing of the past.  

About the boomers, I'll stay Silent. 

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I love the connection they have, ari seems very at ease since wicked, like grounded, Im happy for her 

[VTV 12,920]

10 minutes ago, Ronk said:

About the boomers, I'll stay Silent. 

I mean in a sense that-

[Ronk 14,762]

26 minutes ago, Ronk said:

About the boomers, I'll stay Silent. 

 

15 minutes ago, VTV said:

I mean in a sense that-

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[Guillaume Hamon 6,539]

5 hours ago, RenegAde said:

I hate when people obsess over celebrity plastic surgeries or blame the never ending global issue of unnatural beauty standards or perfectionism on  celebrities. I feel it shows a lack of self awareness and accountability as a society and as individuals

If you put all of the responsibility for it on celebs then yes ofc.

But it does have an impact in a celebrity-obsessed society, mainly on young folks who can't have the maturity to be enough self aware/ responsible yet.

5 hours ago, RenegAde said:

Celebrities didnt fall from the sky, they are a product of their societies and i don't fault them for getting plastic surgery because  they are the biggest victims of the societal pressures to stay perfect.

Very true.

5 hours ago, RenegAde said:

If you feel pressured by societal beauty standards, There's a lot introspection that needs to be done instead of getting a kick out of calling out another person's imperfection

True as well but do you speak in general or about folks in this Convo? I don't think folks here got a kick over an imperfection, rather didn't like the BSing lol.

[SimonBaetens 8,851]

I watched the whole video, it was very funny and wholesome!