TortureMeOnReplay 5,784 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, Borisapillar said: Ariana will not be nominated. Why do you say this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putang Ina Mo 2,057 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Which makes sense since the reviews says Gaga is underused in the movie. my username says it all 🇵🇭 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hennycomb 3,097 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) Does screen time have anything to do with deciding what is a leading and what is a supporting role? Isn't the position and relationships the character has in the story that defines it? I never expected this to be a leading role, she plays the partner of the character who names the movie, and it's also the sequel where her character didn't appear in the first. That doesn't sound very leading role. Edited September 18 by Hennycomb Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debithius 5,483 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Wtf why are you guys sad??? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 5,960 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 21 minutes ago, CyanDante said: Supporting boosts her chances because the competition is very weak this year for supporting. But I believe we still have 3 months before they decide the nominees for the biggest awards so I hope they wait to see the final competition before to send her for either category. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 9,870 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Honestly, winning supportive actress is much harder because you have a reduced role and character arc. You are forced to steal the show from the leads and make a good impression with what little screen time you have. To me its a more difficult category that lead actress where you have the whole movie to make your shot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 9,870 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 7 minutes ago, Hennycomb said: Does screen time have anything to do with deciding what is a leading and what is a supporting role? Isn't the position and relationships the character has in the story that defines it? I never expected this to be a leading role, she plays the partner of the character who names the movie, and it's also the sequel where her character didn't appear in the first. That doesn't sound very leading role. A little of both. It depends on screen time and how important the character is for the movie. If its a character who appears very little, but who’s actions are essential to the plot, it could still be a “lead actor”, even if the screen time is small. But usually a supporting role is often a smaller role with a decent impact on the narrative, but not essential. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borisapillar 8,184 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 18 minutes ago, TortureMeOnReplay said: Why do you say this? The nominating committee won’t be interested in Wicked outside of maybe production design. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LG2008 2,958 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, Xzxcuzme said: I think they just played it smart showing as much footage of them together, when in reality the movie it’s not all about them. i feel kinda scammed tbh lol Can we sue so they release another cut of the film? Lol I think someone sued an studio because a scene they used in the trailers wasn't on the film Edited September 18 by LG2008 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monketsharona 51,633 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 I'm totally fine. Quality over quantity. Feel like she is a scene stealer Still very excited for Joker 2, as a fan of the first one 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzxcuzme 106 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, LG2008 said: Can we sue so they release another cut of the film? Lol I think someone sued an studio because a scene they used in the trailers wasn't on the film Gosh, i really hope that the cut shown at venice its not the final one, but i guess i’m being delusional lolol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
julz 5,525 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 This is okay... as long as she delivers, which i know she will. So Lee...release your Harlequin minialbum. Gaga, announce the lead song title and date already or the album title Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan 3,526 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 We should lower our expectations when it comes to her acting gigs because she ends up having very little control of the final output regardless of how she performed as an actress, these are not her films after all. And obviously her name will me marketed like crazy whether she's main, supporting or cameo simply because she has a massive fanbase which means thousands of possible ticket buyers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 42,205 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 is it a shame there's less Gaga than expected? obviously is it something to meltdown about right now? of course not! mother, what must i do? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheCloset 17,753 Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, TortureMeOnReplay said: The interesting thing to me in all of this is how we're okay minimizing women's roles in films a year after the Barbie movie. It was always very obvious when Gaga led the film announcement on her socials. It was sooo obvious when all the key art aside from character key art featured both her and Joaquin equally. The film is called Joker: Folie à deux, or Joker Madness of Two. FaD also refers to shared psychosis. It's not obvious at all that she wasn't considered a co-lead, because it was never meant to be obvious to begin with. The main character(s) are drive the story itself and the focus of the story. They're behind the themes of the story being told. Ariana is not comparable in this scenario because she is not the force behind the theme, although she is a literary device to build the story. Glinda in Wicked is the foil to Elphaba, a character designed to contrast the main character and highlight how different the two are. Lee, from the marketing, moves in the same direction, at the same place, with the same goals and thoughts, as Joker throughout the marketing. The entire thing is sold as a convergence of the two characters to drive the theme of the film. Y'all are fighting to defend this when the studio intended for it all to look like this. It's disingenuous. Exactly. It was and is titled as folie a deux, madness of TWO, delusion shared by TWO. It seems as if from the start Gaga was a co lead but in post production Gaga's Lee was cut short. And from the start the marketing of it, the posters, the teasers, everything hinted at a co lead not a supporting role. Where's the spunk, Adam? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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