Democratic National Convention 2024

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,614]

5 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

supporting trans

Supporting trans *people*, thank you. "Trans" isn't a noun; it's an adjective that describes some ✨️people✨️

[Ladle Ghoulash 53,175]

18 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

Im fine with continuing our argument if you want, but I dont want to engage in drama. Everyone here keeps complaining about me fighting with everyone, so im putting effort to stop that.

When I said “None of that would happen”, I meant it wont lead to Trump presidency. Israel and its media has no power over the American election or republicans voters.

There is also alot I did not understand in your comment because English is not my first language. Mainly I dont know what oppo and admin means?

“Israel and its media have no power over the American election or Republican voters.” Don’t think that’s true at all. The GOP has latched onto the supposed antisemitism of the Dems and has fully weaponized it for political purposes. What’s more AIPAC, which is a congressional lobbying firm, is one of the biggest and most powerful lobbies in the US. Israel fully leaning into “Biden is pro-Hamas” (something an Israeli defense minister literally said after Biden proposed the original embargo) could easily influence the way the GOP attacks Biden-Harris. Oppo is an abbreviation for “oppositional messaging” and admin is a shorthand for “administration.” 

[Ladle Ghoulash 53,175]

10 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

Who cares what other leaders of countries think of you? And the Democrats are demonized for supporting trans and being pro choice, yet they continue supporting these things

Your original comment states that the US could “easily” hold Israel accountable while still maintaining a pro-Israel stance. If Israel demonizes your policy and uses it to claim you’re betraying them, how exactly does that maintain the normalization of those relationships? 

[PartySick 172,545]

2 hours ago, faysalaaa said:

America can easily take action by using its leverage to pressure Israel into a real deal (While still supporting Israel). But verbally telling Israel to agree to a deal wont solve the issue and America knows it, its just a verbal back a forth that will go on for decades while people die.

Netanyahu has already signalled that the fighting will continue even without US arms. That leverage isn't as powerful as even I thought it was a few months ago. Withholding defensive weapons doesn't do anything other than put Israeli citizens at risk and jeopardize the US' ability to get aid into Gaza.

As much as I wish they had a magic wand here, this situation is a lose-lose. Continuing to seek a ceasefire/hostage deal is the option that causes the least amount of death.

Now, if Israelis could drag Netanyahu and his posse out of office somehow, it'd be a different story.

[faysalaaa 5,336]

6 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Netanyahu has already signalled that the fighting will continue even without US arms. That leverage isn't as powerful as even I thought it was a few months ago. Withholding defensive weapons doesn't do anything other than put Israeli citizens at risk and jeopardize the US' ability to get aid into Gaza.

Israel is now collapsing, and Netanyahu will soon be over, so them signalling they dont care about US funding them billions is obviously not true.

[faysalaaa 5,336]

3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Your original comment states that the US could “easily” hold Israel accountable while still maintaining a pro-Israel stance. If Israel demonizes your policy and uses it to claim you’re betraying them, how exactly does that maintain the normalization of those relationships? 

I did exaggerate that it would be easy. What I was trying to say is America has alot of leverage they can easily use.

[faysalaaa 5,336]

14 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

“Israel and its media have no power over the American election or Republican voters.” Don’t think that’s true at all. The GOP has latched onto the supposed antisemitism of the Dems and has fully weaponized it for political purposes. What’s more AIPAC, which is a congressional lobbying firm, is one of the biggest and most powerful lobbies in the US. Israel fully leaning into Biden is pro-Hamas (something an Israeli defense minister literally said after Biden proposed the original embargo) could easily influence the way the GOP attacks Biden-Harris. Oppo is an abbreviation for “oppositional messaging” and admin is a shorthand for “administration.” 

Alot of Republicans are already attacking Trump for being Pro Israel though. And when you go to the far right, they are even more anti Israel as they are Nazis. Even Candace Owens released a video recently accusing Trump of accepting a deep state offer because hes Pro Israel. I follow alot of conservative figures and almost all of them are against Israel, the only ones that are Pro Israel are Jewish ones like Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin, and even they are being attacked for being Pro Israel.

[PartySick 172,545]

4 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

Israel is now collapsing, and Netanyahu will soon be over, so them signalling they dont care about US funding them billions is obviously not true.

Yeah, I agree, he would fold like origami, but the cost of calling his bluff would be to endanger Israeli citizens and Gazans would continue to be killed by weapons they've stockpiled and manufacture themselves anyway.

It's just not an acceptable gamble. It would remove the US entirely from the negotiation table and leave both Gazans and Israelis to be slaughtered while assholes in the IDF and Hamas kill each other.

Not to mention that also let's Israel off it's proverbial leash to expand it's violence deeper into the West Bank and other neighbors and leaves Israel vulnerable to Iran.

[HelloHangoverz 17,452]

20 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Supporting trans *people*, thank you. "Trans" isn't a noun; it's an adjective that describes some ✨️people✨️

Omfg, you clocked it piping hot. It's just like when they describe somebody's identity as the trans "ideology".....what, somebody's factual, lived experience? Lmfao. They think they're channelling Nineteen Eighty-Four, it's tragic.

[faysalaaa 5,336]

2 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Yeah, I agree, he would fold like origami, but the cost of calling his bluff would be to endanger Israeli citizens and Gazans would continue to be killed by weapons they've stockpiled and manufacture themselves anyway.

It's just not an acceptable gamble. It would remove the US entirely from the negotiation table and leave both Gazans and Israelis to be slaughtered while assholes in the IDF and Hamas kill each other.

You have to take the risk or else this will continue for decades, specially when its obvious they want Americas support. This war has been going on for 100 years and America tried helping many times with no result. The only way is to pressure and use your leverage against Israel to end this.

[PartySick 172,545]

1 minute ago, faysalaaa said:

You have to take the risk or else this will continue for decades, specially when its obvious they want Americas support. This war has been going on for 100 years and America tried helping many times with no result. The only way is to pressure and use your leverage against Israel to end this.

I just don't think that's a realistic solution tbh. Netanyahu is not a rational man and we're seeing him in a position of power. Can you imagine him in a position of desperation?

Israel has nukes, dude. I'm not keen on seeing him with his back against the wall because putting him at that point does nothing but endanger even more people.

One rotten exchange between Israel and Iran and we're in WWIII. All because the US decided to take a chance and threaten a man with one finger on the button.

[HelloHangoverz 17,452]

30 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Supporting trans *people*, thank you. "Trans" isn't a noun; it's an adjective that describes some ✨️people✨️

It's not "trans", nor is it "trans people". It's "the trans" or "the trans thing"

Spoiler

joking, obviously 

 

[faysalaaa 5,336]

For anyone wondering, I never used the phrase "trans ideology", and I used trans as a noun because English is my third language. It was a mistake and I liked the comment of the person correcting me. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 53,175]

21 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

Alot of Republicans are already attacking Trump for being Pro Israel though. And when you go to the far right, they are even more anti Israel as they are Nazis. Even Candace Owens released a video recently accusing Trump of accepting a deep state offer because hes Pro Israel. I follow alot of conservative figures and almost all of them are against Israel, the only ones that are Pro Israel are Jewish ones like Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin, and even they are being attacked for being Pro Israel.

The anti-Israel far right isn’t the same as the elected GOP. Rank and file elected Republicans are pro-Israel, pretty unequivocally. 

[HelloHangoverz 17,452]

2 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

For anyone wonder, I never used the phrase "trans ideology", and I used trans as a noun because English is my third language, it was a mistake and I liked the comment of the person correcting me. 

I wasn't talking about you.