Harris clashes with protesters

[MessyTop 14,389]

5 minutes ago, Bronco said:

The people bankrolling Trump are the same people who bankrolled the Ugandan kill the gays law. 

It's not fear mongering, it's just looking at who's pulling the strings and going "oh wait that's not a good person". 

I'll never understand people who attack people who live in a country for prioritsing domestic politics that have an immediate and direct effect on them. Of course, when people see a potential outcome of an upcoming domestic election being a direct threat to their safety they prioritise themselves because who the **** wouldn't. 

I'll also never understand a certain section of the Pro-Palestine movement that routinely dismiss and downplay the threat that Trump poses both domestically to US citizens & internationally to Palestinians, Europeans & every other nationality within the middle-east.
Biden has been terrible on the Israel-Palestine conflict since Oct 7th, it's undeniable. And I totally understand why he's getting so much animosity from anyone who cares deeply about the ongoing genocide. 

But why are we downplaying the threat Trump poses? This is the guy who's repeatedly said he'd give Israel even more freedoms to wage war than Biden & allies have allowed. This is the guy who recognised Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. He'd make Biden's Israel policy look humane. There is nothing to be gained by anyone who supports Palestine deliberately dismissing the very real threat posed by Republicans under Trump. 

This, I also found that a lot of the folk here  that criticize Kamala and us are not from the USA. 
like you said, you can’t blame people here in the USA for prioritizing their needs and try to save democracy and our rights.

We all want the war in Gaza to stop, we can do both at the same time and again the democrats are not the enemy  

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31 minutes ago, Emvee said:

Well it’s not just fearmongering. Don’t downplay the laws and rulings against trans people and women that have already been passed. 

I’m genuinely not trying to downplay the horrible anti-LGBTQ+ legislation that the right wing has passed these past years, and I know how important it is to prevent P25 from even having a sliver of chance of happening, but calling it a “genocide at home” is a bit much, and kinda downplays the actual genocides happening around the world where hundreds- and in some cases millions- of people are actively getting murdered. 

I support Kamala 100% and absolutely loathe Trump and his goons so I should probably just stfu now lol 

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Kamala acts like my therapist says I should 

[Petie Estie 5,707]

2 hours ago, SpadesToStart said:

What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, but my own safety as an LGBTQ person in the US is on the line with a 2nd Trump presidency looming. So yeah, Harris has my firm support, and I do judge people on the left who withhold their vote from her, because I view that act as putting me in danger.

thank you for adding your thoughts, it really helps me feel like I'm not crazy or a bad person for not protesting more. 

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56 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

I’m genuinely not trying to downplay the horrible anti-LGBTQ+ legislation that the right wing has passed these past years, and I know how important it is to prevent P25 from even having a sliver of chance of happening, but calling it a “genocide at home” is a bit much, and kinda downplays the actual genocides happening around the world where hundreds- and in some cases millions- of people are actively getting murdered. 

I support Kamala 100% and absolutely loathe Trump and his goons so I should probably just stfu now lol 

I think that's the main difference between the two sides here. A lot of us really believe a true genocide is possible here and some don't. 

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1 hour ago, MessyTop said:

This, I also found that a lot of the folk here  that criticize Kamala and us are not from the USA. 
like you said, you can’t blame people here in the USA for prioritizing their needs and try to save democracy and our rights.

We all want the war in Gaza to stop, we can do both at the same time and again the democrats are not the enemy  

This narrative you and @Bronco are pushing is completely unfair. If I lived in the US I would vote for Kamala. And I would push her as hard as I could to stop funding a genocide.

This idea is being pushed on this site that we have to put all issues on hold until after the election. This is not reason. It is a top-down political strategy: convince your voters they need to shut up and uncritically rally behind a candidate so that an enemy can't win, and then wait for them to continue to shut up after the election is won, so you don't have to change any actual policy.

If people here seriously think that the Democratic response to being accused of funding a genocide and violating international law in the most extreme way possible is unrelated to domestic affairs, they have a surprise coming for them Biden's administration showed that Democratic leaders don't give a flying **** about Democratic voters and are willing to arrest them, accuse them of racism and allow far right Nazis to beat them up just for protesting. How is that not a domestic affair?

You say it yourself: we can do both at the same time. So let's do that. Doing that does not equal telling people to stop protesting until Kamala wins. The time is now to rally for Kamala and to demand her to promise what we want vs. turning her into a stan idol for absolutely no goddamn reason.

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You guys are disgusting btw 

[Didymus 34,380]

sainthoax is on the right side of history:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-ahx9VJ7vb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[MessyTop 14,389]

11 minutes ago, Didymus said:

sainthoax is on the right side of history:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-ahx9VJ7vb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Doing that just gonna hurt Kamala and the future of our country, but go ahead do it. Clearly you all want Trump to win 

there’s also no backlash, is clickbait. Most Americans are voting on other issues not the war in Gaza.

read the comments on the post, everyone is defending Kamala and calling Sainthoax on his pushed narrative and clickbait 

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Y'all aren't considering the full context of what happened. 

From the NYT: 

“Before her rally in Detroit, Vice President Kamala Harris spoke briefly with the co-founders of the Uncommitted National Movement, which mobilized tens of thousands of voters in Michigan to withhold their votes from President Biden in the primary earlier this year over his support for Israel’s war in Gaza. Abbas Alawieh and Layla Elabed said they were in the welcoming line for Harris and Governor Walz, and communicated to Harris that they wanted to support her but that voters wanted her to consider an arms embargo to immediately stop the carnage in the besieged enclave.”

“Harris listened to stories of people in Michigan who have had dozens of family members killed in Gaza. The leaders asked to meet with her about the embargo request, and she indicated she was open to it, and introduced the two leaders to her staff.”

What Harris said when she was interrupted was: ""I'm talking right now. Don't talk over me. There's a right way and we are talking there, too." I do agree she should have showed more empathy to protestors when responding to them. 

I think it's great that people are pushing her to consider an arms embargo, and activists shouldn't have to wait till after the election when even more people are killed and even more resources are destroyed to put pressure on her. However, I also acknowledge that she is not yet president and can only do so much at the moment as VP. I do believe she will take more action against the genocide than Biden has, and certainly she'll be better for Gaza than Trump, but that doesn't mean activists shouldn't continue to put pressure on her/Biden/the Democratic party now. She's in a tough spot because as Biden's VP she can't oppose his policies, but she also needs to forge new ones of her own that may break with his.

I live in metro Detroit and didn't vote for Biden in the primary because of what's happening in Gaza, but I also planned to vote for him in the election, and I will do the same with Harris. Just because people are pushing her to take a stand doesn't mean they won't still vote for her. 

 

[Didymus 34,380]

3 minutes ago, MessyTop said:

Doing that just gonna hurt Kamala and the future of our country, but go ahead do it. Clearly you all want Trump to win

What is this propaganda though? That is not true. What the actual ****? Enough with this psycho ****, it's actually scaring me

It'd be just as easy and utterly deluded for me to say: clearly you all want thousands of Palestinian queers to die. Like, how the hell do you people think this is somehow a serve to post?

I'll be watching all of you playing the moral hero in here once Kamala does win. Looking forward to all of your sudden post-election activism What a joke.

[Didymus 34,380]

15 minutes ago, MessyTop said:

read the comments on the post, everyone is defending Kamala and calling Sainthoax on his pushed narrative and clickbait 

I said "sainthoax is on the right side of history", not the delusional people who comment and clearly didn't even read the full thing. Like you.

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15 hours ago, Juanjo said:

I’m glad she clapped back, she doesn’t have to sit there and take that just to save face. She is showing she is a candidate with character. I want a cease fire, and I believe the innocent people of Palestine do not deserve any of the vile acts of violence they have been subjected to,  but these protests will do absolutely nothing to help. It does seem like these people do want trump to win. Mind-boggling. 

Exactly! 

[MessyTop 14,389]

7 minutes ago, Didymus said:

What is this propaganda though? That is not true. What the actual ****? Enough with this psycho ****, it's actually scaring me

It'd be just as easy and utterly deluded for me to say: clearly you all want thousands of Palestinian queers to die. Like, how the hell do you people think this is somehow a serve to post?

I'll be watching all of you playing the moral hero in here once Kamala does win. Looking forward to all of your sudden post-election activism What a joke.

Love that someone from Belgium is telling Americans what to do or not do during and after an Election. Make a difference in your country. We will worry about ours 

[Didymus 34,380]

6 minutes ago, MessyTop said:

Love that someone from Belgium is telling Americans what to do or not do during and after an Election. Make a difference in your country. We will worry about ours 

I didn't tell you what to do, I'm merely referencing something you said yourself:

"We have to fight for democracy first here and save the future of our LGBTQi+ community so we can keep fighting for people in Gaza."

 

I am trying to make a difference in my own country also. Again, the arrogant insinuations. FORGIVE ME for focusing on the government which is directly and overwhelmingly responsible for the continuation of a genocide, the refugees of which my country's government is taking in unlike your own "Democratic" one.

I hate it as much as you probably do but what American Democrat voters will do has an immense impact on Palestinians. If I was an American in the 1940s, I would also ask Germans to stop their government from organizing mass murder. I guess you wouldn't?