Biden camp “quietly” testing Harris vs Trump

[StarstruckIllusion 53,716]

16 minutes ago, Reality said:

How would she wipe up Trump with ease though? You could lobby many of the same criticisms people have on Biden (minus the age thing) onto Kamala since she's part of his administration. She also had her own set of problems before she became his vice president. 

Imo what's stopping Biden from winning isn't Trump, but rather people who are unenthusiastic about either candidate to bother voting—particularly when it comes to the younger vote. Neither Biden nor Trump excite young voters, and while Kamala is comparatively more "exciting," her policies generally aren't progressive enough for those who crave actual change. She's still very much representative of the establishment in DC.

And I'm not saying that Trump all of a sudden made America bigoted. America's been bigoted since its inception. But I think it'd be dishonest to say that Trump's influence hasn't amplified hate crimes and rhetoric over the past 8 years. And no, I don't think it's just a "few crazies online." Trump still has a lot of support. It's literally why we're having this discussion about whether or not Biden can beat him. 

I can’t lobby many of Biden’s criticisms of Kamala actually

Shes more cogent than he is, seemingly more pro palestine than he is, and more progressive than he is.

I’m wary of calling her progressive but she’s an upgrade over Biden. I think she’s just the easiest and best option because she’ll have access to the war chest, she’s been essential in the good parts of the Biden presidency, and passing her over might upset a lot of people 

For once, this moment isn’t about conservative vs. progressive dems, but it shouldn’t stay this way I agree

Also I didn’t say Trump’s support is only because of a few crazies online. I said extreme bigotry is. Republicans JUST held a primary with a black candidate, an indian one, and female candidate doing well enough to be serious contenders.

Obviously that’s not me calling Republicans the best option for minorities and women, but it proves most Americans are shed away enough bigotry to be pragmatic about policy in their votes. It’s a low bar but it’s all that matters here

All I have to say to the young voters/not being progressive enough take - I mean that’s a seperate convo. I agree with you, but the moment rn is “is Biden good enough to stay on the ticket against Trump” and the answer seems to be an ever growing “no!”

[StarstruckIllusion 53,716]

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[REALITY 80,297]

18 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

I can’t lobby many of Biden’s criticisms of Kamala actually

Shes more cogent than he is, seemingly more pro palestine than he is, and more progressive than he is.

I’m wary of calling her progressive but she’s an upgrade over Biden. I think she’s just the easiest and best option because she’ll have access to the war chest, she’s been essential in the good parts of the Biden presidency, and passing her over might upset a lot of people 

For once, this moment isn’t about conservative vs. progressive dems, but it shouldn’t stay this way I agree

Also I didn’t say Trump’s support is only because of a few crazies online. I said extreme bigotry is. Republicans JUST held a primary with a black candidate, an indian one, and female candidate doing well enough to be serious contenders.

Obviously that’s not me calling Republicans the best option for minorities and women, but it proves most Americans are shed away enough bigotry to be pragmatic about policy in their votes. It’s a low bar but it’s all that matters here

All I have to say to the young voters/not being progressive enough take - I mean that’s a seperate convo. I agree with you, but the moment rn is “is Biden good enough to stay on the ticket against Trump” and the answer seems to be an ever growing “no!”

Comparatively, yes, Kamala is all those things you mentioned. But when she's also the vice president, I think it's valid to put some of the blame on her when Biden/his administration do things we don't necessarily like or disagree with. And she is still an establishment-type politician who will more than likely maintain the status quo. She'll probably be more "progressive" in some ways, but I don't think it's enough.

Btw I want to be clear that IF Biden steps down as the Democratic nominee, I'm 99.99% certain Kamala will take his spot. All of these names people like to throw around of who "should replace" Biden are unrealistic imo. So I don't think anyone's passing over her.

And were any of the Republican candidates "serious contenders"? Sure, Nikki Haley held on for a minute, but none of them were serious contenders. It was Trump's to lose the entire time. They even talked about how it was unrealistic for any of them to win during the primary debates.

Perhaps I should reframe the way I presented the argument initially. I don't think that the vast majority of Americans are extremely bigoted people, but I do think it's clear many of them are willing to look past Trump's bigoted rhetoric to fall in line. If nothing he's said over the past 8 years has fazed them enough not to vote for him, then I think they're complicit in continuing to prop up this man and the bigoted rhetoric he keeps spewing. And that will unfortunately only be amplified by the fact that Kamala is a Black/Asian woman.

[StarstruckIllusion 53,716]

29 minutes ago, Reality said:

Comparatively, yes, Kamala is all those things you mentioned. But when she's also the vice president, I think it's valid to put some of the blame on her when Biden/his administration do things we don't necessarily like or disagree with. And she is still an establishment-type politician who will more than likely maintain the status quo. She'll probably be more "progressive" in some ways, but I don't think it's enough.

Btw I want to be clear that IF Biden steps down as the Democratic nominee, I'm 99.99% certain Kamala will take his spot. All of these names people like to throw around of who "should replace" Biden are unrealistic imo. So I don't think anyone's passing over her.

And were any of the Republican candidates "serious contenders"? Sure, Nikki Haley held on for a minute, but none of them were serious contenders. It was Trump's to lose the entire time. They even talked about how it was unrealistic for any of them to win during the primary debates.

Perhaps I should reframe the way I presented the argument initially. I don't think that the vast majority of Americans are extremely bigoted people, but I do think it's clear many of them are willing to look past Trump's bigoted rhetoric to fall in line. If nothing he's said over the past 8 years has fazed them enough not to vote for him, then I think they're complicit in continuing to prop up this man and the bigoted rhetoric he keeps spewing. And that will unfortunately only be amplified by the fact that Kamala is a Black/Asian woman.

I agree with your first paragraph - it’s just that there isn’t really room right now for a Tim Walz or Josh Shapiro to come save us. I wish there was, and this Dem primary was an abomination, but we are stuck I fear. I’m not genuinely Kamala stan but the mourn of the loss of M4A and such shall continue.

but yeah obviously racism and sexism still exist, but it’s not strong enough to have a campaign be DOA, say like a trans woc activist would be - sadly. Many Americans may fall inline, but I dont think it’s enough to win an election. The choice of elections is always dealt by independents who stan voting for the couch, and I think Dems on average have a much better serve when they get turned out

Atp Kamala’s identity is at best something to inspire tomorrow’s children and at worst a cynical ploy to be abused to excuse trash policy - which is a fight worth having, but first priority is beating Trump before fighting the Dem moderates - I fear Kamala may be the only hope 

 

[Mister G 10,528]

11 hours ago, River said:

I'm older than u

Oh really? What year?

[River 128,852]

1 minute ago, Mister G said:

Oh really? What year?

88

[Mister G 10,528]

16 minutes ago, River said:

88

1987 here...

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Umm this is not a good idea. Look, I see the points about Americans’ racism and misogyny. It’s really ****ed up.

The reason I don’t like her is because she is practically a neoliberal cop. At least she likes her Converses?

Here for Big Gretch! Or Newsom. (Though they are both a bit neoliberal as well). 
 

Will vote for Biden of course but we are just in a holding pattern of late stage capitalism and dystopia with climate change until 2028 I guess?

Im tired of being gaslit by Biden and liberals. “Move them further left, vote blue no matter who” or Biden’s health and flubs being treated like we didn’t see them. His spokespeople are jerks.

Too bad Marianne Williamson didn’t stand a chance. She was close to Bernie in terms of policies. And her speeches were beautiful, thoughtful, reflective of US history. 

[River 128,852]

19 minutes ago, Mister G said:

1987 here...

I'm still young

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Maybe she should debate Trump instead of Biden next time. 

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I always find it funny how bad politicians & political parties are at politics. 

Like either kill his candidacy or back it. Don't equivocate for weeks, you look weak af and do more damage to whatever the final result is by going for the death by a thousand cuts approach