Edward Sheeran doesn’t believe artists who say they don’t care about chart success

[MOT 2,652]

He's right imo. I mean he's right in what he ACTUALLY said.

What he actually said was that every artist cares about success.

What he didn't say was that every artist cares only about success.

 

 

[King of the Fall 3,778]

25 minutes ago, MOT said:

He's right imo. I mean he's right in what he ACTUALLY said.

What he actually said was that every artist cares about success.

What he didn't say was that every artist cares only about success.

 

 

Define success? 

I would think that the vast majority of artists would care a lot more about fan and critical reception than chart success, especially if you are not some superstar

Ed Sheeran is speaking from the perspective of a guy who has never had a strong fanbase or gotten positive reviews from critics. So naturally he is obsessed with charts because that's how he gets validation as an artist, Taylor Swift is heading down the same road and it's very worrying for the future quality of the actual music they would create 

Edited June 7 by King of the Fall

[Divine 1,556]

7 hours ago, homomo said:

His takes are so shallow and never delve deeper than his shallow mind

of course artists care about charts at the end of their day. But someone like Gaga definitely cares about her message more than the success of her song (we’ve seen proof of this countless times)

While I agree at some extent, we can't disregard the fact that Gaga still cares about the charts more than what we comprehend (but not chart-obsessed kind of energy). I mean for an instance, having Blackpink as a feature and when the demo of Sour Candy leaked, I feel like Gaga picked the song out as it is, she never truly felt the song by soul. Blackpink was just slammed randomly for a feature to create hype and for the charts (I love Blackpink tho). Am I mad? No! I honestly don't care. 

You see, chart success will always be intertwined with impact. Every artists aim for impact. Imagine someone talented like Gaga in the dungeons of labels having no chance of exposure because hypothetically her first single flopped. Chart success is vital but it should never be the driving force in creating music. Yes, it should be considered but quality comes first then charting comes second. 

Remember when the label/Gaga put on hold to releasing more singles from Born This Way because Marry The Night charted low.  

Everyone should calm down and view Ed's pov as someone speaking from experience. His career is literally music. He knows how the industry works more than all of us (I am not saying he is 100% right, but he is more qualified to express opinions about the technicalities in the music industry more than any opinions here). 

[MOT 2,652]

31 minutes ago, King of the Fall said:

Define success? 

I would think that the vast majority of artists would care a lot more about fan and critical reception than chart success, especially if you are not some superstar

Ed Sheeran is speaking from the perspective of a guy who has never had a strong fanbase or gotten positive reviews from critics. So naturally he is obsessed with charts because that's how he gets validation as an artist, Taylor Swift is heading down the same road and it's very worrying for the future quality of the actual music they would create 

I think there are a couple of strands to this. Ed was replying to a question. We have his exact words, but we don't have the exact question. Was he asked about chart success, critical success, concert revenue, all of the above ? We don't know.

I would guess most artists care about a combination of making money, making music they love and critical acclaim. l hope it's not all about money for Ed or Taylor or anyone.

[Battle 4 Ur Life 6,337]

he still around?

the last songs of his I was forced to listen to were very commercial choices so he’s obviously invested in that more than artistry

[MadArchitect 563]

well, as they say here in my country, the thieve judges by its condition, so...

[Divine 1,556]

15 minutes ago, MOT said:

I think there are a couple of strands to this. Ed was replying to a question. We have his exact words, but we don't have the exact question. Was he asked about chart success, critical success, concert revenue, all of the above ? We don't know.

I would guess most artists care about a combination of making money, making music they love and critical acclaim. l hope it's not all about money for Ed or Taylor or anyone.

Yes, I agree with this "l hope it's not all about money for Ed or Taylor or anyone."

I just find it childish when most of the users crucify Ed or Taylor most of the time. One can make a fair opinion about valid things to be criticized like the vinyl variants, etc., but I just can't take the btchy and aggressiveness energy to them. Like does it brings serotonin in the head of some users here?  It's like projecting hate. Most of the time they are being scrutinize because of their "basicness", but even if they appeal to the general public whose preferences doesn't have to be a popstar dancing her tits out or someone having extravagant visuals... the art still lives (and that's what matters), because at least they touch the hearts of their audience regardless if the hit song was made out of art or charts (even if majority of people here view it basic and corny, they can still touch lives). 

I hope the norm of scrutinizing/critiquing things properly will outweigh the energy of entitlement here just because we stan an all rounder woman. We don't need to perpetuate hate, but the right arguments is a better read than just mere tantrums. 

[MadArchitect 563]

1 hour ago, Divine said:

Remember when the label/Gaga put on hold to releasing more singles from Born This Way because Marry The Night charted low.  
 

i mean this is a completely label thing, remember Gaga has full creative control when it comes to creating the art itself and the music, but when it comes to the promotion, distribution and the general roll out she has to account with her label, many of the choices she was not in agreement with but that was just out of her hands..

[Divine 1,556]

2 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

i mean this is a completely label thing, remember Gaga has full creative control when it comes to creating the art itself and the music, but when it comes to the promotion, distribution and the general roll out she has to account with her label, many of the choices she was not in agreement with but that was just out of her hands..

So this applies to Taylor's promos too? (I am genuinely asking) 

[Super 891]

hes so annoying

[MadArchitect 563]

3 hours ago, Divine said:

So this applies to Taylor's promos too? (I am genuinely asking) 

It depends on he artist and how much they let themselves be corrupted,  but no, in Taylor's case she seems all down to it, cause labels also wouldn't release different versions of albums without the artist concent, they either approve or are actively seeking it to be done, like for example they wanted a Deluxe version of TF but Gaga wanted a separate TFM EP instead, if they really dont want it they protest, that how it is, in Gaga's case she said they choose which songs they want to be singles, how much they want and how they distrute it, they can listen to Gaga's feedback like how they convince them to make alejandro a single, but the choice is ultimately theirs and they've had plenty of disagreement specially towards the end of BTW and all throughtout the ARTPOP era and she made public her discontent. Taylor  is all in it and content with it, so much that she keeps on doing it and pushes it as much as she can.

Edited June 8 by MadArchitect

[Monstermilo 3,704]

says the man with two number ones on the hot 100. 

he simply doesnt have the chart success to be talking BS like this

Edited June 8 by Monstermilo

[Divine 1,556]

13 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

It depends on he artist and how much they let themselves be corrupted,  but no, in Taylor's case she seems all down to it, cause labels also wouldn't release different versions of albums without the artist concent, they either approve or are actively seeking it to be done, like for example they wanted a Deluxe version of TF but Gaga wanted a separate TFM EP instead, if they really dont want it they protest, that how it is, in Gaga's case she said they choose which songs they want to be singles, how much they want and how they distrute it, they can listen to Gaga's feedback like how they convince them to make alejandro a single, but the choice is ultimately theirs and they've had plenty of disagreement specially towards the end of BTW and all throughtout the ARTPOP era and she made public her discontent. Taylor  is all in it and content with it, so much that she keeps on doing it and pushes it as much as she can.

I see. Thank you! I honestly like how Taylor's team think, but I just hate the chart milking. I mean the success is pretty undeniable, I just hope they let it flow naturally instead of embossing greedy tactics. I personally like Taylor but I kind of despise how they wouldn't want to give grace to others. Like I am kinda sad Billie didn't debut #1. 

[Divine 1,556]

8 hours ago, Monstermilo said:

says the man with two number ones on the hot 100. 

he simply doesnt have the chart success to be talking BS like this

4 #1s in terms of album and he is massive worldwide. His discography in numbers looks nice.  He has the chart success (he had those number ones where music's cultural impact is still a thing, not like right now where number one is easy to be manipulated).

I don't listen to him... even not a fan, but gurl speak facts. 

[HotLikeMexico 4,441]

He should worry about not shitting himself.