Eurovision Song Contest 2025 in Basel, Switzerland

[Juanlittlem 44,965]

21 minutes ago, DesertWolf said:

Wait for tomorrow's update hihi 

Yup, I bet tomorrow might be even higher

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Spain (and apparently more countries) want a debate on how televoting works.

Spain's votes on the first semi:

774 calls, 2.377 SMS and 11.310 online votes.

Spain's votes on the final:

7.283 calls, 23.840 SMS and 111.565 online.

They've asked for info on the number of votes each country got from Spain as well.

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17 hours ago, PolishSausage91 said:

San Marino is basically just Italians in disguise this year.

It was astounding how many French and Italian songs there were this year! It honestly didn't feel much Swiss German to me. More Italian than Swiss German. It felt like Ticino hosted it and not Basel in many occassions.

4 in French and a 5th partially in French and 3 in Italian plus some Italian songs in the Swiss hosts interludes!

And yes... strange that SM portrayed themselves as Italians. Don't they value their independence?

Edited Sunday at 03:12 PM by AyeshaErotica

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20 minutes ago, Juanlittlem said:

Spain (and apparently more countries) want a debate on how televoting works.

Spain's votes on the first semi:

774 calls, 2.377 SMS and 11.310 online votes.

Spain's votes on the final:

7.283 calls, 23.840 SMS and 111.565 online.

They've asked for info on the number of votes each country got from Spain as well.

 

Well, more people watch the final, so of course final votes will be higher!?!? I don't understand what Spain cannot understand about it. I liked the energic Spanish song and was surprised how little it scored.

I think they should FIRST present the public results and jury results only later because it makes it look like as if countries gave points to others during the capital-callings but in fact only 5 or 6 people form a jury did, and not the milliion viewers.

For example, Austrian jury gave Germany 0 points, but Austrian public gave Germany 12 points. But during the live broadcoast during capitalcallings only the jury votes were given, making it look like Austrina people gave 0 points. The jury votes are less interesting than democratic people votes, who should get more attention.

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9 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

Well, more people watch the final, so of course final votes will be higher!?!? I don't understand what Spain cannot understand about it.

The thing Spain wants to see is how many votes every country got from us. It's weird that a country whose TV and main audience is against Israel ends up giving their 12 points to them. 

I do not know of ONE person that voted for Israel from Spain, but I do know of people voting for Sweden, Estonia, France, Finland, Austria... There's clearly something fishy about Israel's points.

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15 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

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I'm over the moon that my country, UK, got 88 points and got 19th, though. I was predicting maybe about 25 points and ending 24th or thereabouts. But 0 points from the public? We didn't deserve that. The vocal talent of those girls was enough to deserve points.

I rated each country and gave the UK a medium score, a middle position. UK songs usually have their strengths in nuances and linguistic variety, as was the case this year. Many Brits are bored with typical songs and want some variety. I would describe this song as "the least generic of the more generic" songs. It's like a compromise between "mainstream singing" and "not wanting to be mainstream." Since most of Europe isn't native English speakers, it doesn't see the subtle nuances and language play, and that's why UK songs always do poorly at the Eurovision Song Contest. It's all due to Europe's poor English skills. But: the beginning of the song was lame, pompous, and at the end it became lame again. The song wasn't really good, not bad either.

 

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8 minutes ago, Juanlittlem said:

The thing Spain wants to see is how many votes every country got from us.

Data is available (now). Scroll to scoareboard, choose jury or public, all results by every country:

https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2025#scoreboard-public

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16 hours ago, River said:

anywaaay

imagine Switzerland wins again lol

it looked liked this for a while

For some time, when it was Switzerland & Austria leading

I asked myself

Will it be next time: zürich or geneva?

 

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6 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

Data is available (now). Scroll to scoareboard, choose jury or public, all results by every country:

https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2025#scoreboard-public

They arent asking for the points given by Spain, theyre asking for the number of SMS, calls and online votes each country received from Spain.

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21 hours ago, Dutch said:

What are they even wearing?

The wig totally looked like/had Lady Gaga - Edge of glory feeling! did anyone else remarked the smilairity between edge of glory and thi outfit?

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Personally, I liked Iceland and Spain the most. I graded every song and Austria was among my two-worst grades.

Austria was like lame old-fashioned old-school opera and proves Europe is mentally still in the 18th century. My ears were glad when his performance was over.

So somehow my favs scored very low this year and the song I didn't like the most, has won. But well, it is just a game, so its OK to me.

Spoiler

As I am used to my favorite never be winning.

But I knew Austria would be big because Europe as average likes this opera songs and they usually do well, so I somehow expected it. Congrats to Austria!

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13 hours ago, darkgaga said:

. But I already know that this year there won’t be any debate like last year with Cha Cha Cha and Rim Tim Dagi Dim

At least we got the wrestling duel between both of them which imo was the highlight of the ESC and I loved how they acknowledged both of them

 

But I wonder why here is so little activitiy.... 87 pages of discussion, and only 5 after the final Don't you [a question for all who havent answered yet] wanna tell who your faves been or am I missing another topic?

And did anyone else remark how Poland was represented in the song reminder videoclips without actually any singing? She was just sitting there on a dragon.

Edited Sunday at 04:10 PM by AyeshaErotica

[StrawberryBlond 14,659]

15 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

I rated each country and gave the UK a medium score, a middle position. UK songs usually have their strengths in nuances and linguistic variety, as was the case this year. Many Brits are bored with typical songs and want some variety. I would describe this song as "the least generic of the more generic" songs. It's like a compromise between "mainstream singing" and "not wanting to be mainstream." Since most of Europe isn't native English speakers, it doesn't see the subtle nuances and language play, and that's why UK songs always do poorly at the Eurovision Song Contest. It's all due to Europe's poor English skills. But: the beginning of the song was lame, pompous, and at the end it became lame again. The song wasn't really good, not bad either.

It was indeed a very British sounding song, it had our culture stamped all over it. Very ABBA inspired as well and some even said it sounded like a song from a musical. I get that non-native speakers don't get all the nuances and wordplay but most people have translated subtitles now, so there's really no excuse. I had to use them constantly this year as so many people sang in their own languages and knowing what the lyrics mean is a big part of me enjoying the song. I find it bizarre that the Italian jury gave us 12 points but the Italian public gave us nothing. How can a country's jury and citizens feel so completely different? I think that just shows how old sentiments of just hating the UK during Eurovision are still alive and well regardless of how good our song is. Year and year, we're patronised with the advice of: "if you just sent a good song, you'd do well" when we have sent all different genres of songs over the years, all different ways of singing, all different approaches and nothing works except Sam Ryder a few years ago but that wasn't so much about the song, I think Europe was awarding us for being so charitable to Ukraine after they'd just been invaded mere months before (I'd say we would've won otherwise but we wouldn't have got as high as second if the war hadn't happened, so yeah). But the very next year, we were back to square one. And due to the rules about not sending massively successful acts, we can't send someone like Adele as that wouldn't be fair. While we have sent some undeniably mediocre/awful songs over the years, we have sent plenty of perfectly decent songs that didn't get anywhere. It doesn't help that so many of our public don't like them either, this year's entry got so much hate as we're always so unnecessarily dramatic over how bad something is when it isn't really. 

Until Europe starts collectively giving us a chance and being fair in their estimations of our songs, we won't get anywhere, it's not us who has to change, it's them. We've got nothing against the rest of Europe. Every year, we give points to literally whoever we like. We vote for the song, not the country and we'd just like the same respect back. We don't need to win, just finish in a respectable position. It's not nice to be treated like the big inside joke of Europe who nobody votes for because it's funny or something. 

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1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It was indeed a very British sounding song, it had our culture stamped all over it. Very ABBA inspired as well and some even said it sounded like a song from a musical.

Until Europe starts collectively giving us a chance and being fair in their estimations of our songs

I think you're exaggerating. The rest of Europe doesn't hate the UK, but rather feels indifference - your songs were overshadowed by others. Switzerland, which hasn't waged war for centuries, also received 0 points from the public. How do you explain that?

The UK song was indeed theatrical. I wanted to write that in my last post, but forgot. Yes, theatrical, the only one of its kind in the final this year. By wordplay, I mean emphasis, word choice, rhymes, playing with words. You could tell the UK was playful with the language and made the maximum of it, while other countries sort of recite their script and only know the levels of loud/quiet and sentimental/energetic, unless they sing in their own language. But England also knows cheeky, surprising, expectant, theatrical climbs; it knows more and makes use of them and I noticed this over the years. But it demands attention, and one has to listen carefully. All in all, the song was mediocre; it had some good parts, but at times it was just lame and generic.

It doesn't make sense to translate the songs. The songs are written to sound good and/or rhyme in the original language. If you translate, the rhymes and good-sounding gets lost. The Eurovision Song Contest isn't a philosophy seminar. There are rarely any deep lyrics; and if they're mostly just pretentiously deep. The lyrics are meant to sound good in the native language.

The songs should be experienced as works of art in their original language. I don't know anyone other than you who translates them, and I'd never think of translating them. When I want meaning, I read the works of Arthur Schopenhauer instead of the 1573rd generic love song confession or love regret. Baller has wonderful lylrics and sounds amazing in the original, the Austrian public recognized it and gave 12 points for it, while the Austrian jury gave 0, but of course it, as any song, is not on the philosphical level of Friedrich Nietzsche and pop music is not gonna deliver that! Any translation of it will only ruin it and distract from the sound and lower the artistic value. I liked Iceland and Spain the most, and although I don't speak any Icelandic (and only 1 year of Spanish, not advanced level) and didn't understand any Spanish, I enjoyed them and would not wish for any translation. The Spanish singer conveyed me her energy and the Icelandic singers their flow, and I understand their flow and energy. If It was a ballad maybe it would be different, but I don't like boring balalds, so nothing to miss, and even ballads rhyme.

In the preview of the UK, they have shown Zermatt, that's the community where the Matterhorn is and I had to think of you. It's a shame they did not also show your Mc Donald's in Zermatt where a burger costs 16 sFr, because wouldn't that be worth mentioning, too?

 

I didn't really like how the ESC hosts organized the final. It was OK, but not fantastic.  Russia put so much effort into hosting the show years ago, and I still remember that. That was stunning. It's unfortunately true: the Swiss are rich, but also very stingy and frugal. They were stingy with their spending and delivered a meager interlude, opening and end even though they had the money to make it better but didn't because they are greedy and minimalist.  Many previous hosts have done this better, even though they were poorer.

 

By the way, the emotionless Hazel Brugger is an allusion to Calvin, who founded the Calvinist work ethic. Calvin was also historically described as emotionless and frugal, and Hazel embodied this as a moderator. I wouldn't be surprised that when Hazel has friends over, she only offers them cheap food and little food and perhaps no food at all, even though she has the money for more and better.

The ESC hosts also demonstrate a cultural devaluation of Swiss German. If you may have noticed, they switched to Italian for singing interludes (there were only a few lines in German, after Italian), even though there is eight times more Swiss German than Italian in Switzerland. This shows that the Swiss are ashamed of (Swiss) German and don't consider it worthy to sing in German or Swiss German. They would have had an opportunity to overcome this cultural aversion at the ESC, but instead, they only reinforced it.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:51 PM by AyeshaErotica

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10 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

I think you're exaggerating. The rest of Europe doesn't hate the UK, but rather feels indifference - your songs were overshadowed by others. Switzerland, which hasn't waged war for centuries, also received 0 points from the public. How do you explain that?

The UK song was indeed theatrical. I wanted to write that in my last post, but forgot. Yes, theatrical, the only one of its kind in the final this year. By wordplay, I mean emphasis, word choice, rhymes, playing with words. You could tell the UK was playful with the language and made the maximum of it, while other countries sort of recite their script and only know the levels of loud/quiet and sentimental/energetic, unless they sing in their own language. But England also knows cheeky, surprising, expectant, theatrical climbs; it knows more and makes use of them and I noticed this over the years. But it demands attention, and one has to listen carefully. All in all, the song was mediocre; it had some good parts, but at times it was just lame and generic.

It doesn't make sense to translate the songs. The songs are written to sound good and/or rhyme in the original language. If you translate, the rhymes and good-sounding gets lost. The Eurovision Song Contest isn't a philosophy seminar. There are rarely any deep lyrics; and if they're mostly just pretentiously deep. The lyrics are meant to sound good in the native language.

The songs should be experienced as works of art in their original language. I don't know anyone other than you who translates them, and I'd never think of translating them. When I want meaning, I read the works of Arthur Schopenhauer instead of the 1573rd generic love song confession or love regret. Baller has wonderful lylrics and sounds amazing in the original, the Austrian public recognized it and gave 12 points for it, while the Austrian jury gave 0, but of course it, as any song, is not on the philosphical level of Friedrich Nietzsche and pop music is not gonna deliver that! Any translation of it will only ruin it and distract from the sound and lower the artistic value. I liked Iceland and Spain the most, and although I don't speak any Icelandic (and only 1 year of Spanish, not advanced level) and didn't understand any Spanish, I enjoyed them and would not wish for any translation. The Spanish singer conveyed me her energy and the Icelandic singers their flow, and I understand their flow and energy. If It was a ballad maybe it would be different, but I don't like boring balalds, so nothing to miss, and even ballads rhyme.

In the preview of the UK, they have shown Zermatt, that's the community where the Matterhorn is and I had to think of you. It's a shame they did not also show your Mc Donald's in Zermatt where a burger costs 16 sFr, because wouldn't that be worth mentioning, too?

It's common for the host nation to do really badly, apart from that time Ireland won for 3 consecutive years. Understandably, the public don't want the same country to win the very next year. It's not shocking that no one really pays attention to the host nation's output. But it's wild how there was such a massive difference between the 214 jury points and 10th place despite 0 public points. With the fact that you can now vote for your fave at any time, the running order no longer matters as much or risks people getting overshadowed. We've repeatedly done badly year after year with little to no points no matter what we submit. That's not a coincidence. 

Translated subtitles isn't the same as dubbing the songs. I thought it was a good idea for Italy to submit their subtitles to the official telecast so it's useful for anyone watching who doesn't have the option of subtitles, claiming that it was important that everyone understood what he was saying and it paid off with 256 points and 5th place. I don't see why this can't be provided with every contestant from here on out. If you don't want to look at them, just don't. It has to be a very good song for me to not care about the lyrics. The catchiness of Sweden's got me but knowing the lyrics were just about saunas actually ruined it for me! I'm one of the few people who doesn't mind juries. It means some focus on the actual song is maintained and means it's highly unlikely that any country leaves with nothing.

It's funny, our commentator said that the videos of each contestant involved them visiting an iconic place in Switzerland but a lot of them were very random as there aren't many iconic places so most of them were just out in forests!