Gaga's Israeli comments resurfaces

[lavender blonde 623]

I think people nowadays are too hooked on celebrities. I LOVE Gaga and I LOVE her music and I actually consider her to be very intelligent, but the truth is that most of famous musicians/actors ended their education in high school and their knowledge about world is below average. I cringe so hard when I read people's comments under Kardashians posts "speak about Palestine!" likeee what could they say? Can they even show where Israel and Palestine are on the map? Do they know anything about the history of these countries? If they wrote "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", would they even know which river and which sea this is about? I don't think so... This thing with blocking celebrities on instagram is peak performative activism

Edited May 12 by lavender blonde

[PartySick 144,365]

34 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Like lbr…she has never really gotten too deep into the minutiae of politics. As a pop artist, she keeps it high level. That’s ok! Everyone’s got a role and she has clearly left her mark on politics bc of it, but…you right 

I mean, what have her political stances so far been?

"Immigration laws in the US are unfair"

"Trans people are people and valid"

"Women deserve body autonomy"

"Gay rights!"

She'll occasionally take specific stances, but they're always domestic/American ones. Like, at my JWT date she pushed a petition to get an initiative on the ballot to reinstate the voting rights of Florida felons (which is over a million, predominantly black, Floridians).

But who actually needs her to make a statement on Israel/Gaza

[AMRer 2,707]

This is stupid. All based in a non political statement made more than 10 years ago.

The blocked one should be this kittykittywhatever girl. Do something useful with you life gurl

[Bronco 5,456]

5 hours ago, River said:

I find Americans to be very protective about their past, even sugarcoating it

Honestly, virtually every country does this in some shape or form. Nationalism is the best way for any politician to get ahead 

Even Germany, which is very very honest about it's history during the third reich, does it to an extent with how they push narratives about the level of citizen knowledge of things like T4 during that era etc. 

[C Rose 562]

Which fanbase is trying to cancel Gaga now? I have an idea, but what do you guys think?

[Didymus 34,378]

28 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I mean, what have her political stances so far been?

"Immigration laws in the US are unfair"

"Trans people are people and valid"

"Women deserve body autonomy"

"Gay rights!"

She'll occasionally take specific stances, but they're always domestic/American ones. Like, at my JWT date she pushed a petition to get an initiative on the ballot to reinstate the voting rights of Florida felons (which is over a million, predominantly black, Floridians).

But who actually needs her to make a statement on Israel/Gaza

Erm... she called for everyone to boycott the Russian Olympics? She supported Ukraine when they got invaded? She was vocal about civilians being killed in Aleppo, Syria? She sent a message of hope to Japan to commemorate the tsunami ten years prior? She supported Global Water Day? She signed letters for climate change action and gun control?

Also, this is a domestic issue in a lot of ways.

Not speaking up is maintaining censorship and the effect of media propaganda. Celebrities can easily make a huge difference.

[HelloHangoverz 15,538]

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

Erm... she called for everyone to boycott the Russian Olympics? She supported Ukraine when they got invaded? She was vocal about civilians being killed in Aleppo, Syria? She sent a message of hope to Japan to commemorate the tsunami ten years prior? She supported Global Water Day? She signed letters for climate change action and gun control?

Also, this is a domestic issue in a lot of ways.

Not speaking up is maintaining censorship and the effect of media propaganda. Celebrities can easily make a huge difference.

Benjamin Netanyahu when he sees that geopolitical behemoth Lady Gaga has forced his hand and called for peace

[faysalaaa 2,883]

3 hours ago, skedaddleBItCh said:

i meant that in a general way, like if theyve said something in the future, but also its unintentionally tonedeaf, come on now. she possibly not knowing about the ongoing warfare back then is ignorance? isnt that obvious lmao but either way no need to be defensive my god. like what i said its better to go for people who can actually change something

Im not being defensive or attacking you, im just trying to understand whats people issue with Gagas comment?

Its not ignorant or tone deaf to say a country and its people is beautiful, even if she knew about the war back then. She was doing a concert in Israel, so obviously she will comment on how its a beautiful country to their press. Saying a country and its people are beautiful has nothing to do with the war. I am a Arab Muslim living in the Middle East, I can say America and its people is a beautiful country, while still being against the action of the American government.

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[Dancing Shadow 1,171]

This was so long ago, and it was before that **** got worse

first the racist allegations that were built on LIES, then people accusing her of not helping her dog walker when he got shot, then the richy horrible situation being spread around and turned against Gaga, now this trash? god whats next. 

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[Dennis 8,390]

45 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Erm... she called for everyone to boycott the Russian Olympics? She supported Ukraine when they got invaded? She was vocal about civilians being killed in Aleppo, Syria? She sent a message of hope to Japan to commemorate the tsunami ten years prior? She supported Global Water Day? She signed letters for climate change action and gun control?

Also, this is a domestic issue in a lot of ways.

Not speaking up is maintaining censorship and the effect of media propaganda. Celebrities can easily make a huge difference.

You just can't equate Ukraine-Russia with Israel-Gaza. One of them requires more nuance than the other.

Ukraine never attacked Russia, isn't run by an organization that in its founding charter called for the elimination of Jews across the globe. So as such it's not politically risky to support Ukraine against Russia. They did not kill 1200 russians, kidnap russian children, sexually assault their woman (according to U.N report about Hamas) etc..

Whereas the issue of Israel-Gaza requires more nuance considering that the public in general views it as something that started with October 7th, you can't address it without addressing October 7th. What does that mean? She'll still be canceled by the pro-Palestine crowd for "bothsiding" it. It literally happened to Dua too as I mentioned above.

If she's going to speak out about Palestine, and the people who care about Palestine will still think her statement is not satisfactory, then what's the point other than to draw negative attention and press?

She's an artist that can't help stop the war. Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Adele are all silent on this.

She also remained silent in the aftermath of October 7th, why aren't Israel supporters attacking her?

And even on the topic of Ukraine, Gaga did a LOT LESS than other artists. Billie for example participated in charity events for Ukraine etc..

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[River 104,420]

30 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Honestly, virtually every country does this in some shape or form. Nationalism is the best way for any politician to get ahead 

Even Germany, which is very very honest about it's history during the third reich, does it to an extent with how they push narratives about the level of citizen knowledge of things like T4 during that era etc. 

Yeah with Germany is so strange, I feel like the more we go further and further, the younger generation is getting tired of this guilt cloud above Germany and trying to make it look less bad than what it was, it's also happens in the US with the young white generation, that's why Trump is rising among them.

But on the other hand, I had some strange encounters with Germans who apologized to me for the Holocaust, but like my family was not even in Europe at the time, they were in Iraq, so my personal Holocaust is more as a as part of the Jewish community than an ancestor of a Holocaust survivor/victim.

[GipJo 2,851]

The performative activism in the west is really crazy. Instead of actually pressuring local or national leaders about issues, people choose to do it with a ''block'' and thought they accomplished something meaningful.

Also the witch hunt to pick a comment and judge/cancel people for matter of today is really stupid, I don't know why society has come to this.

[Didymus 34,378]

40 minutes ago, HelloHangoverz said:

Benjamin Netanyahu when he sees that geopolitical behemoth Lady Gaga has forced his hand and called for peace

Why are you making jokes?

Israel spends millions every year to improve its public image as well as to go after people who dare to criticize them. They wouldn't do this if they were unbothered about what celebs say. It's one of their biggest focuses, because celebrities mobilize and can legitimize protest. They've gotten many a Hollywood star fired for speaking out.

The official Israeli government Instagram page infamously went after Gigi Hadid just months ago.

Now obviously I get that this further convinces people here that Gaga shouldn't speak out. But the idea that Israel doesn't care about what celebs say is patently false.

[Didymus 34,378]

25 minutes ago, Dennis said:

You just can't equate Ukraine-Russia with Israel-Gaza. One of them requires more nuance than the other.

Ukraine never attacked Russia, isn't run by an organization that in its founding charter called for the elimination of Jews across the globe. So as such it's not politically risky to support Ukraine against Russia. They did not kill 1200 russians, kidnap russian children, sexually assault their woman (according to U.N report about Hamas) etc..

Whereas the issue of Israel-Gaza requires more nuance considering that the public in general views it as something that started with October 7th, you can't address it without addressing October 7th. What does that mean? She'll still be canceled by the pro-Palestine crowd for "bothsiding" it. It literally happened to Dua too as I mentioned above.

If she's going to speak out about Palestine, and the people who care about Palestine will still think her statement is not satisfactory, then what's the point other than to draw negative attention and press?

She's an artist that can't help stop the war. Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Adele are all silent on this.

She also remained silent in the aftermath of October 7th, why aren't Israel supporters attacking her?

This might have been relevant a few months ago but not anymore lol. Calling for a permanent ceasefire is easy enough, and it's what plenty of people in the industry are doing. No one is even talking about October 7th anymore, except for Hasbara plants and media representatives for Israel.

Y'all seem to be willfully blind to the celebrities that have done something and who came out completely unscathed even if they're doing the most. The Weeknd, Billie Eilish, Macklemore, Kid Cudi, Zayn, Miguel, Diplo, Janelle Monáe, Angelina Jolie, Pedro Pascal, Lena Heady, Jennifer Lopez, Jenna Ortega, Jessica Chastain, Joaquin Phoenix, Annie Lennox, Rachel Zegler, Mark Ruffalo, Susan Sarandon, Marcia Cross, Richard Gere, Sandra Oh,...

Does that sound like a name of cancelled people? They've won respect and admiration instead and they'll be on the right side of history in the end.

I'm shocked so many people here are this bitter and passive about spreading awareness. We can play the game of "well, these people can't really help anyway, so who cares" all day long and use it against UNICEF, Doctors Without Borders, the UN,..., as well as local organizations, protesters on the street, students,... It's shameful because protest and fighting for mainstream public recognition to exert political pressure has been a core element of queer acceptance around the world. Y'all just don't care, that's the real tea.

[Dennis 8,390]

15 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Y'all seem to be willfully blind to the celebrities that have done something and who came out completely unscathed even if they're doing the most. The Weeknd, Billie Eilish, Macklemore, Kid Cudi, Zayn, Miguel, Diplo, Janelle Monáe, Angelina Jolie, Pedro Pascal, Lena Heady, Jennifer Lopez, Jenna Ortega, Jessica Chastain, Joaquin Phoenix, Annie Lennox, Rachel Zegler, Mark Ruffalo, Susan Sarandon, Marcia Cross, Richard Gere, Sandra Oh,...

Billie was pretty much aksed to wear a pin for ceasefire and she did, that's all she did to the best of my knowledge. She never issued a statement on this issue. The pin basically calls for a ceasefire and release of the hostages.

The Weeknd, Phoenix etc had their names in a letter calling for a ceasefire.

If that's what you want her to do, sure. But can't deny the fact what those artists did is very very bare minimum and has little to no impact on anything.

Edited May 12 by Dennis