Gaga changed lyrics in BTW last night

[River 112,946]

Just now, PMM said:

actually......

yall remember the thing that burns posted with something really really simillar to hml intro? 

i am just leaving this here

and ya'll thought that I'm joking with my inside info

[SimonBaetens 8,111]

Wait she performed in Vegas last night?

[Lucas 25,729]

Can a native english speaker explain to me how "chola or orient made" was wrong in the 1st place? 

[Borislshere 52,874]

What show is this? 

[Kayi 2,508]

Wait a minute... Gaga sang at Las Vegas last night ????

[Papergangstuh 2,642]

She did this during all of my Vegas shows last year

[Easy 5,293]

58 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Can a native english speaker explain to me how "chola or orient made" was wrong in the 1st place? 

English isn’t my first language but these are seen as racist by some.

Chola I believe is used to talk about latinas, who usually are low-income and "tough", which is quite stereotypical.

Orient also is very blurry because there are a few races in Asia, it’s like calling all East Asians Japanese or Chinese. I myself as an East Asian don’t mind orient tho coz I am technically really from the east.

[Rifek 51,753]

51 minutes ago, Borislshere said:

What show is this? 

 

48 minutes ago, Fck I luv Art said:

Wait a minute... Gaga sang at Las Vegas last night ????

Super Bowl Pre-Show in Las Vegas 

Setlist (based on the leaked videos)

1. Shallow 

2. The Best Is Yet To Come 

3. Bad Romance 

4. Born This Way 

5. Stupid Love 

 

[tylerjs 5,694]

1 hour ago, Lucas said:

Can a native english speaker explain to me how "chola or orient made" was wrong in the 1st place? 

 

8 minutes ago, Easy said:

English isn’t my first language but these are seen as racist by some.

Chola I believe is used to talk about latinas, who usually are low-income and "tough", which is quite stereotypical.

Orient also is very blurry because there are a few races in Asia, it’s like calling all East Asians Japanese or Chinese. I myself as an East Asian don’t mind orient tho coz I am technically really from the east.

Correct. For “Chola”, some self-identify this way based on specific style or descent as a cultural phenomenon in the US. But, still not appropriate to use as a word to define a wide range of Latino people by any means, and can still be used degradingly by people not part of that group. 
 

“Orient” came at a time when generalization of races was normal in the US. Anything perceived as “East Asian” was deemed “of the Orient” or “Oriental”. Grouped all Asian culture and people together, diluting individual cultures/nationalities and eventually used in derogatory ways in songs, comedy skits, etc. Basically outdated and too associated with misuse even tho it technically just meant “of Asia”. For example, Washington state has banned the use of the word “Oriental” to describe anything Asian in government verbiage due to “outdated and pejorative nature”.

[Lucas 25,729]

36 minutes ago, Easy said:

English isn’t my first language but these are seen as racist by some.

Chola I believe is used to talk about latinas, who usually are low-income and "tough", which is quite stereotypical.

Orient also is very blurry because there are a few races in Asia, it’s like calling all East Asians Japanese or Chinese. I myself as an East Asian don’t mind orient tho coz I am technically really from the east.

 

20 minutes ago, soularpower said:

 

Correct. For “Chola”, some self-identify this way based on specific style or descent as a cultural phenomenon in the US. But, still not appropriate to use as a word to define a wide range of Latino people by any means, and can still be used degradingly by people not part of that group. 
 

“Orient” came at a time when generalization of races was normal in the US. Anything perceived as “East Asian” was deemed “of the Orient” or “Oriental”. Grouped all Asian culture and people together, diluting individual cultures/nationalities and eventually used in derogatory ways in songs, comedy skits, etc. Basically outdated and too associated with misuse even tho it technically just meant “of Asia”. For example, Washington state has banned the use of the word “Oriental” to describe anything Asian in government verbiage due to “outdated and pejorative nature”.

Thank you both for taking the time to explain to me, now it's clear 

[Kayi 2,508]

44 minutes ago, Rifek said:

 

Super Bowl Pre-Show in Las Vegas 

Setlist (based on the leaked videos)

1. Shallow 

2. The Best Is Yet To Come 

3. Bad Romance 

4. Born This Way 

5. Stupid Love 

 

Oh ok thx 

[Supersonic 49,376]

1 hour ago, Lucas said:

Can a native english speaker explain to me how "chola or orient made" was wrong in the 1st place? 

Not a native english speaker but I did study sociocultural anthropology and art history, and the term "orient" there has been a huge point of scientific contention.

The term orient was first coined by the Romans, during the Roman Empire, just meaning "every part of the Empire that's east of Rome", over time, the term changed meanings (as many terms do). In English, the "Orient" is a catch-all term for all Asian countries, regardless of the countries culture, language or political history.

(In my native language German for example, the term Orient is a bit more specific. "Orient" in German only refers to all countries of North Africa/West Asia that are in the muslim cultural sphere).

In 1973, a Palestinian-American scholar called Edward Said released the highly influential book "Orientalism", where he largely criticizes the way the term "Orient" has been used in the West, how cultures and people are conflated with each other in news reporting, policy making and in art history. He described the deliberate way how those streotypes have been used to paint inaccurate pictures as "orientalism".

He also noticed that the colonial world powers (namely America, UK, France) had been using their militaristic influence over the region, to install brutal dictators in "Orient" states, that would in turn streamline and reform their countries cultures, so that those would become more congruent to the stereotypes, the Western countries have already had about them in the first place. (i.E. USA successfully meddling with liberal democracy in Iran, so that they could install a muslim extremist dictator; UK & America's involvement in the Palestine wars; France's involvement in Syrian, Tunesian & Algerian politics)

[TimotheeChalamet 5,459]

There's a thing that nowadays seems to be kinda lost, mostly in the United States, that's called context: Born This Way it's an equality anthem with an extremely positive message and such terms are not wrong by any means when used in it. I get that some may find them offensive but context allows our brains to interpret a message and locate it under a certain light, so I'll never understand the need to change the lyrics, it's like saying "okay, you're not able to think critically about my message so I'll give it to you in a more plain and safer way". 

But it's just a personal view on it, I understand that she has to adapt to the audience's changes too

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26 minutes ago, TimotheeChalamet said:

There's a thing that nowadays seems to be kinda lost, mostly in the United States, that's called context: Born This Way it's an equality anthem with an extremely positive message and such terms are not wrong by any means when used in it. I get that some may find them offensive but context allows our brains to interpret a message and locate it under a certain light, so I'll never understand the need to change the lyrics, it's like saying "okay, you're not able to think critically about my message so I'll give it to you in a more plain and safer way". 

But it's just a personal view on it, I understand that she has to adapt to the audience's changes too

I'm not sure she was forced to change them? I get what you're saying but it sounds like she's just forward thinking and considerate and she herself changed them to be more inclusive. BTW particularly was always meant to feel inclusive and at the time the language was. But context and language do change so I understand she wants to continue the message 

[Easy 5,293]

7 minutes ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

I'm not sure she was forced to change them? I get what you're saying but it sounds like she's just forward thinking and considerate and she herself changed them to be more inclusive. BTW particularly was always meant to feel inclusive and at the time the language was. But context and language do change so I understand she wants to continue the message 

I see what you mean but really the lyrics were
“no matter ....... Chola or orient made” using these terms convey a stronger meaning. It could mean “even if you identify yourself with a specific group of latino people or are discriminated against” it’s all good, just embrace that.
Sometimes literature becomes powerful with context. Changing it is not wrong but the meaning became less impactful.