Beyoncé called out by Hajime Sorayama

[River 104,869]

1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

This silhouette has been used so many times in fashion and pop culture tho (Beyoncé, Gaga, Mugler). Mugler used this silhouette in a 1995 fashion show and even designed one of the robotic looks for the Renaissance tour 

but it doesn't matter, we are talking about the design of the robot, which is identical to his work and she had to get the permission to use it.

For example, you're drawing an apple, which is nothing original, but Bey is using an identical design of your own art, with a slight change, it's the same thing here, she could have work on a different design but instead she or her team saw his and used it without permission.

I mean, it's pretty simple to understand, even if you're a bey fan

[Ladle Ghoulash 16,210]

9 minutes ago, River said:

but it doesn't matter, we are talking about the design of the robot, which is identical to his work and she had to get the permission to use it.

For example, you're drawing an apple, which is nothing original, but Bey is using an identical design of your own art, with a slight change, it's the same thing here, she could have work on a different design but instead she or her team saw his and used it without permission.

I mean, it's pretty simple to understand, even if you're a bey fan

I mean, there are actually enough distinctions between the two that, based on your own criteria, it couldn’t be considered a copy. Is it similar? Sure. But is Sorayama’s work also incredibly similar to Fritz Lang’s Metropolis? Absolutely. In some of his work, he very directly pulls design influence from the film and yet, imo, as an homage, it’s fair use. Why would it then be unacceptable for Beyoncé to draw influence from his work (if she actually did) if it’s acceptable for him to draw influence from Fritz Lang?

Edited December 13, 2023 by Ladle Ghoulash

[River 104,869]

3 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, there are actually enough distinctions between the two that, based on your own criteria, it couldn’t be considered a copy. Is it similar? Sure. But is Sorayama’s work also incredibly similar to Fritz Lang’s Metropolis? Absolutely. In some of his work, he very directly pulls design influence from the film and yet, imo, as an homage, it’s fair use. Why would it then be unacceptable for Beyoncé to draw influence from his work (if she actually did) if it’s acceptable for him to draw influence from Fritz Lang?

Because celebrities likes to "draw influence" all the time instead of paying the artists what they deserves.. she probably approached him and told him "I want to work with you, you will do it for free and get free exposure" and he declined, so she used his art anyway.

It's literally not the first time that she does that, so why to even pretend

[Ladle Ghoulash 16,210]

2 minutes ago, River said:

Because celebrities likes to "draw influence" all the time instead of paying the artists what they deserves.. she probably approached him and told him "I want to work with you, you will do it for free and get free exposure" and he declined, so she used his art anyway.

It's literally not the first time that she does that, so why to even pretend

I mean, we have no proof that she ever reached out or had foreknowledge of his work, but okay. Also: didn’t answer the question about whether or not it’s ethical for him to draw influence from Fritz Lang’s Metropolis or whether or not he got permission from Lang’s estate to use the likeness of Maria in his art. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Ladle Ghoulash

[nATAH 42,286]

i honestly have my bey stan googles on too much for me to care abt this, in fact i think she should rip off even more people as long as we get the visuals and the live album alongside it

[Roughhouse Dandy 8,397]

Yeah uhhh..... this might have been something if this wasn't well into the 2nd decade she's used this look and if his work wasn't also derivative of an already iconic century-old work. Would it have been nice for everybody involved if her team reached out and gave him his flowers? Absolutely. Is it necessary at this point? Absolutely not. 

[TwistedTeeth 1,621]

1 hour ago, River said:

Because celebrities likes to "draw influence" all the time instead of paying the artists what they deserves.. she probably approached him and told him "I want to work with you, you will do it for free and get free exposure" and he declined, so she used his art anyway.

It's literally not the first time that she does that, so why to even pretend

Then why didn't he say something from the very beginning? Why bring it up when the tour is over? Assuming that she would want him to work for her without pay is a pretty baseless assumption, considering he's not a small time artist; he's extremely well-known, especially if he's worked with The Weeknd. If he had a problem with Beyonce paying homage to him—if it's even his art she's paying homage to—he could've piped up and Beyonce would've fixed it in a snap of a finger like she removed the Kelis' Milkshake sample from Energy.

He clearly sat on this until he knew things couldn't be changed or edited so he could grab some attention for himself.

Honestly, he could've brought this up the VERY first time Beyonce pulled up this aesthetic and it actually would've been concrete that she was "ripping him off", but that's not the case. His work is iconic, it's lovely. I have some criticisms over him sexualizing women's bodies, but ultimately it's executed wonderfully. However, he's being petty here. He needs to get real.

[Wolf Boy 3,131]

It’s like being angry she dressed as Dracula lol.
This is a very common female robot visual made popular by Metropolis 100 years ago. 
Hajime certainly put his own style across it, and it’s obviously what Beyonce was referencing…..but it’s not a completely original design from his end too. 

[doppelganger 3,854]

Some of the details , like the ear antennas, are quite specific to his work. Just my opinion. 

[Future Lovers 6,439]

5 hours ago, River said:

Because celebrities likes to "draw influence" all the time instead of paying the artists what they deserves.. she probably approached him and told him "I want to work with you, you will do it for free and get free exposure" and he declined, so she used his art anyway.

It's literally not the first time that she does that, so why to even pretend

So you’re gonna die on the hill of it’s okay for him to homage a pre-existing work but she isn’t allowed to homage one—and mind you, we do not know what sources Mugler drew from—because she’s more famous than he is?

Well then I guess Gaga is in deep **** for all the artistic homages to other work she’s done such as essentially remaking a whole ass movie for one of her music videos!

Or are we only gonna come for one of those women?

The fact is she’s worn incarnations of this suit for almost two drcaces and he conveniently waits until her name is in the media a lot to make a comment about it. If it really was about his artistic integrity and not wanting attention this wouldn’t be the first time he’s passed comment on it. 

He wants attention and is using a design he didn’t even originate or popularize to try and get it. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Future Lovers

[Noah X 5,249]

8 hours ago, Blahwhatever22 said:

Why is he acting brand new?? This look has been replicated many times before by other artists. Not only that but this is not even the first time Beyonce has done this aesthetic 

 

No it's mainly his spikey headpiece which is a signature creation, and that was not there in the Metropolis robot.

I'm pretty sure the designer from her team saw and took inspo from him...and she had no idea. 

[Roughhouse Dandy 8,397]

3 hours ago, Nedster said:

No it's mainly his spikey headpiece which is a signature creation, and that was not there in the Metropolis robot.

I'm pretty sure the designer from her team saw and took inspo from him...and she had no idea. 

Rosie from The Jetsons also had antennae coming out of her ears. They're not from Metropolis, but they didn't come from homeboy's designs. 

[Didymus 34,379]

11 hours ago, Nedster said:

No it's mainly his spikey headpiece which is a signature creation, and that was not there in the Metropolis robot.

I'm pretty sure the designer from her team saw and took inspo from him...and she had no idea. 

[phantasmas 9,927]

so its only ok when male artists use ur art...  ok

[Easy 5,243]

Not a pro here just stating my own view.

Metropolis is a movie and the costumes in the movie were made to tell a story.

Sorayama was inspired by the movie as a whole and derived the aesthetics into sculptures and fashion.

so this is like if I see the movie Frozen and got inspiration from Elsa’s blue and white snow queen aesthetics then I make a snow inspired collection of blue and white dresses.

To me this does sound like an homage to the original art.

however, to my layman eyes, Beyoncé’s helmet has the almost identical pointy ear thing and nipples as Sorayama’s work. And at least to me I would feel that Sorayama was involved in the creation of Beyoncé’s costume coz they share the same defining elements, which these elements did not appear in Metropolis.

Im not even a Beyoncé hater or anything, she herself is innocent but whoever made her piece can’t say that they are not using some really significant elements of Sorayama’s work.